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June 21, 2020 4:00 pm
Welcome to Man Talk, with your Hosts Will Hardy and Roy Jones Jr. Man Talk welcomes Pastor John McKoy from the Faith Fundamental Baptist Church to the show. The discussion for the next two weeks is about racial tension, and where do we go from here?
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Welcome to have the duo here today got the black guy with the white guy. He's taking a little R&R today. So in the studio with me at this time we have Pastor John McCoy and you know Pastor Beeman try to get you on air for four minutes. You know we been talking about trying to get you on it and and and pastor McCoy just tell us a little bit about yourself and where you pastor love where you located well I'm actually from Greensboro, North Carolina. But pastor fate church in reason I been doing that about 20 years, veteran mom was in the Marine Corps for several years, I have a bachelors degree in criminal justice and homeland security and to be here. Thank you for having let you know Pastor you know what that greasy. You could talk about some of these issues that you know that we been faced with because it it is something that has been happening around the community and the world we been talking about this particular subject. On the last five or six shows that we have done and so we've entitled this one racial tension. Where do we go from here so that's what we want to find out where do we go from here after we have experienced what we have experienced and seen in the news media and all of what is happening with the riots and in things like this. So, from your perspective, what have you seen pastor as the issue and have you talked to this about with your congregation where the biggest issue is to get understanding exactly what is going in this particular instance of some of the things that are happening now. People get confused if it racial discrimination or is it police brutality in these particular areas that we need to get understanding exactly what we are dealing with. If I say like this for those that are say they need to get understanding of what caught God has called us to do and how God has called us to react so it's not easy answer, regardless of how you look at it is never going to be easy answer, but it is about by the same token, we should be able to come to some sort of agreement and understanding of what the Lord wants to do exactly because you know we were talking on the way over here and you know I had share with you that when I have a conversation with my brothers and sisters who don't look like me. One of the first thing some time that they bring up in the conversation is they say pastor. Why is it that you have the the people burning down buildings in their own neighborhood, why, why do you see them. Looting stores and you know we are talking about that I'd share with you that when if you put your emphasis on the looting on the hooligans on the rowdies on the disruptors if you put your mind there then you're missing the whole central focus that a man died needlessly and he didn't have to. First, you gotta understand you have to come to the point that you understand and get the correct information on demand that it would it would needlessly because some other measurements or submittal steps could be taken to prevent that, and these steps should not just be getting put in place now that it happened, but these steps should have been put in place years ago. I like to say first of all you know is a tragic thing that happened but you have to look at the focus that what we are trying to do now with trying to get this thing that people can understand that we have a problem in the system and we gotta work it out. We got have a true conversation about color. We have to have true conversation about authority. You know that's good because you know if and I think personally it shouldn't of been now since these conversations should've been enacted because we were talking coming over here you know issues had happened for a long time and we've seen this repeatedly happen again and again and again and you know, we say when is enough enough and so noble both of us. We we experience that time.
During the 60s, when you know there was rioting with respect to the civil rights movement and I share with people sometime. I said, you know, that was another time, but some of the issues that were confronted with are the same issues. So it's like this repeated thing that's going over and over, and I believe that all churches all churches need to have some focus groups established. I'll know what they're calling today. They may call it by another name, but but but a focus group to address issues that's happening in the church because you and I pastor we know that they are happy my CM in the church that God blessed me to pastor and I know you see it in in church that you have pastor or places that you have visited well the thing about in this day and time you got multicultural churches and and a lot of times we shy away from these types of conversations because we don't want to offend anyone, but I believe in today's churches pastor should take the front and and begin to talk about these things because it's something that you can't hide. And even now with the thing that is happening something that questions are being asked people coming into the church event. They're afraid to even really talk to each other about it because no one wants to set no one else but in order for this thing to be cleared out. You need to have that type conversation you need to state this is what happened. You need to say this and don't don't. You can't hold back sometime.
It's not wrong to say a black man. I don't get offended because you call me a black exactly. I don't either. It anything it if I'm speaking to someone white they're not going to get offended if I called him why, but if I called them out of their name, you see that you know that you gotta do that's it. You don't call them out of your name because they don't like being called out of their name no more than we like to be called out on exactly so in the church you you have to have these dot-coms that even like you said, even if you have to implement a plan to have detected discussions with the leaders for so how do we address this thing how do we talk to each other. How should we teach the congregation to talk to Egypt because we are all God's children were all created in his image. So therefore no window to he put color in it he just say we was created in his image. So if I'm created means it is in the image of my friends created in his image. We shouldn't have a problem here with you, and you know we are all created in his image, but we are not necessarily all brothers and sisters if they haven't received Jesus Christ if we will make sure we put that in Wycliffe government to but what you're absolutely right. A person went when they come to church and they don't feel welcome. You know and and I've been to places where it's you know a mixed congregation.
It is there and I walked in and I have gone probably 30 or 40, 45 feet into the church until someone even acknowledge the say hey brother how you doing welcome to such and such a fellowship or or a tabernacle so right then I think we's we can easily start formulating defensive posture and that I'll know why I came here to begin with is nobody going you know come up to me and and and give me right hand of fellowship extension. These type things so and we know it goes on but if we don't talk about it like you said, what happens is it's held in and now we're into you get at that powder keg moment and then all of a sudden things blow out of proportion and now we're trying to put building fire out with the fire extend extinguisher where it will is like you said in the beginning when I first get that feeling of you already see me as different, you change your attitude, you change the way you talk to me that's not helping me be comfortable exactly was happening be comfortable is you be who you are just like what I remember on one occasion we were doing the church pastor came up to me. I will call the neck and they said okay will go out witness. I'm good with that. We go out with but it was what came next. You talk to the black people and I'll talk to the white answer why won't you just you talk and I'll talk exactly which probably doing the same thing and see that's what is barriers come up.
That's where the barriers come up in the slight division start formulating when things like this is said and we don't know what goes on into the mind of the here when he hears this because again, if we are people then you minister to the people you just take that side of the street and I'll take the side of street, and whoever come out the front door you know whether they black or white. We just going to minister the gospel tour and see it's it's it's small issues like this pastor just like we were talking about that starts that small flame burning which eventually will go and blaze into a raging fire.
It goes back to that one thing when I was talking about the leadership of the church when your congregation sees you step outside and that the black church beside you that what we consider a black church beside you or you like church beside you in the past to walk that and only the acknowledge his neighbor that we are all children of God work for the same thing so would not even acknowledge any child as being in that same work. So of course the congregation is going to feel you know I'm not supposed to mix but is it really a thing of mixing or thing of culture while you you're absolutely right that see you hit you hit on something right there pastor because you at your absolute right we feel comfortable with the people who we are around you know.
While this this is good stuff.
We're coming up on the break right now but come back and join us again as we continue this conversation of racial tension 40 we go from here with pastor John McCoy who sit in the seat, because we think God formally thank God for everything he's doing CMM would love to have you join their community of men for breakfast every first and third Friday of every month and Bible discussions and fellowship after the best breakfast in town meeting location is at their voracious poster First Christian Church encouraged 1130 N. Main St. encouraged him a hard start at 7 o'clock on a hard stop at 8 o'clock. First time visitors eat for free. Join your host will party Roy Jones Junior, a black guy in a white guy of affordable chiropractic in High Point. As you might tell from their name affordable even for the castration. Dr. Jeff Ricky has been caring for patients in High Point for 34 years, physical therapy, such as ultrasound and spinal decompression for this condition, such as herniation conference of care for auto accident injury patients with no out-of-pocket expense. Remember, affordable chiropractic on the W. Lexington Ave. in High Point Hall 336-885-1987. Welcome back to man's talk radio. I'm here with pastor John McCoy of the fundamental Baptist Church in Eden, North Carolina in pastor right before the break you. You hit right on the nail on the head as we say, when you talked about the leadership and and that's a very important thing I think is that the leadership the people will see what the leader is doing and then they will tend to follow suit.
So if the leader is open to objective discussion in reference to what we see that's going on around in the United States and in the world. Then they will have a tendency to follow the lead, but if if he has that or she has that hands-off approach, then the of the people will again see things as you so eloquently stated, you know is it is a culture thing or do I just don't supposedly mixing with you at all. So what what about some of these other things that we are seen in the news in reference to George Floyd trave on Martin and Breanna Taylor and I mean the list goes on and on past well you know I will. I guess I will be thinking more about George floor this time.
Is it still wanted sticks most in my everyone would be in agreement that basically the man was murdered. I'm just going for. That's right. Yes that's right. But what we come to this.
This is where we come from hectic get to get the understand what was actually racism or was it please put out where me personally I think in this particular case it might've just been a racist move by please because if you look at the film and you see the things and me personally. I look it ideal spirit so I'm I'm saying when I looked at it through my spirit. I saw a man behaving and dissipate ticket. So far, to the point of just murder. I believe anyone would be honest about the situation that should be outraged. And there should be a crack of Jeff for just but we have to go a little deeper than just that. Cry. We have to understand exactly what was going on. There's going to be some things in this we never know. Regards to what we saw on the fields of gospel people say that's things that we don't know but if I'm thinking of it right quick. From the way that God sees that we supposed to react. We supposed to see that just but we supposed to seek it in a godly way a man you know because because the word of God in Proverbs I believe is chapter 16 and verse two says that all the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes, but God weighs the spirit. In other words, he waves the motive of why you do what you're doing.
So see there's a lot of people out there who have a different motive then the motive of the individuals who are actually peacefully going out to protests which they have the right to do protests peacefully under the Constitution and to voice their there are no dis-approval of what the police did and how this man was arrested and and ultimately murdered. You know, because of his unwillingness to take his knee off of the guys neck so how can a person who is say have all this hate and I'm just gonna pose this question. How can a person who have hate in their heart and let me use an example of that.
So so we can get some clarity around you and I were talking about the incident that happened here Arlene in Greensboro and what these guys that were going through the Bojangles drive-through and one of them actually multiple of them spit at at the individual lady who was taken, the orders she was black and they were quite and then they started yelling out slurs and things like this. So how do you and then there's more to that story, but how you take a individual who has the mindset of the individuals that did this to this young lady or the police officer shelving who did the act against our joy. Floor how to use Dr. conversation with a person like that. Well the thing about it is what a person believes is what they believe.
I would have to go from the standpoint of taking our monuments, we take down flags but that's not the real problem because the memory of it is already embedded in a person's heart.
If you can't change their heart. You're not going to be able to change anything about you. Preaching is just like salvation you know if our heart don't change we can say that we know God. But if the change is not therefore if any man be across his new creature that new creature has not came out so you take all the stuff away… Monuments the Flagler you say oh we do is such a great job.
We get this stuff out the way. But see if I teach you something. As a child you don't need that monument to pass it on to another time.
Oh, but if you get Christ in your life Christ to take all that stuff out and you can pass on to your child what God expects out of a may. He said, be ye holy father Lord God."
So if you not live in a holy life. You going to have that hatred in your heart and you go react to the hatred all past due, preaching up again. I am telling you, that's alright because because all I think when a person when a person starts reacting the way that they do a lot of this the hate that they have and attempting to start the conversation. That's years instilled in them as well see so so it's and when we when we talk about slavery and for 600 years of oppression that you know the black man has been through in America.
We talk about that. We're not looking back you know as as some individual say will don't look back. Don't don't don't go back there because you know what happened to your ancestors. I wouldn't a part of that. But what you are seeing today is a result of those things. So what we constantly see what we are saying in reference to just black men and women being shot and the shooting is not justifiable. You cannot forget about the 4600 years of slavery that we've been in because that's going to come to the forefront. It's going to come back to our remembrance. Know and we can kill people without tongue coming. Proverbs 1821 says death and life is in the power of the tongue, and they who love it will eat of its fruit so so so we are out here with out here killing people, not necessarily with guns, knives, brick sticks and things like that but we're killing them with words and so when we see like these individuals come through the the Bojangles and yelling racial slurs and spit at this young lady and asked her for drinks that they really didn't pay for, you know when when you start seeing this.
I think it goes back to again the individuals in their standpoint on how they see themselves versus how they see the young lady who was waiting on where I have but I understand what you're saying and are beyond which I think a lot of this comes from fear. You we go back to the slavery time.
It was not physically fun.
I guess when the slaves point of view physically you would be afraid of him because he was a big, strong, robust, me, and that has carried out through the years. Fear.
So what is the best way to keep that one. You are in fear of incontro, you got to bring along more fear so so you remember the children of Israel. They get out was getting that kind of thing I gotta make them afraid whatever the king what I gotta keep them in check. I got freight. Now we look at today's records we look at the data we look at the way the people were doing the people it Bojangles that these murders you see that in the case of these people that was murdered.
They were handcuffed they were subdued, they was in a position where they couldn't fight back. It was in a position where they could not say what was had really happened and and see if you get a man in that position. If I tell you look okay for people to hold you and beat you up. I didn't beat you up because I was stronger than you I be joke about fixed really afraid to fire at you in a position you can't fight me back.
And sometimes that we talking about police protectively. That batch gives you power like I was telling you I'm a security guard. When people see that Bastille they look at that as a symbol of authority. I got some type of authority and they will back away, but if I miss use that authority. The I'm already doing wrong, God still in the we supposed to treat people as we do we treat ourselves with both a love them as we love ourselves so. So if I mistreat you just because you white then evidently I don't love my faith. While that's deep because love is the base on which all of what we do should be built on the sea when we go out and we start judging individuals like Matthew chapter 7 talks about Judge not to be not just for the same judgment you judge, you shall be judging with the same measure you meet it shall be measured to you again so when we go out and we see things like this happening out here. Let's not forget about the central focus of the issue on why the people live there, and so we need to start bringing them back to coming to an end of man talk, but passively will pick this back of next week.
Praise the Lord and because this is something that people need to hear and he needs to be talked about in the church. Plaintiff is not talked about in the church, then where can it be talked about. So we thank God for you and we know that God is in control and he's the one who is able to do what we cannot do as we wrap up today show. Be assured that DAW CMM talking walking Christian men's ministry is building a community of men Christ followers with a desire to be servant leaders in their homes, communities, churches and work environments. Check out our website for upcoming events of regularly scheduled meetings drop is a note for topics that you would like to have us visit in the future.
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