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September 15, 2022 5:00 am
The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network. Why is about apologetics research was found alive born you have questions of our Bible doctrine is a max likewise glances called responding to your questions at 877207276 here's Matt slick Matt slick live will be your host today. I have not met flick of a colleague that the Christian apologetics and research Ministry you confront us online at:.org.ca RM.org and for those of you who are new to the show.
This is a show about Christian apologetics so we answer your questions about biblical doctrine about challenges to the Christian faith. Christian worldview issues, or challenging passages. So if you have questions on any of those things. Give me a call at 877-207-2276. Again, this is Luke Wayne filling in format that's going to be posting a program at the same time in the air at the Aramaic broadcasting network ABMs that so after this program you may want to check in and watch the rebroadcast of that and see what method do it over there taking on issues of the truth of Christianity. The falsehood of Islam and issues of that nature.
So again, you can call us live here at 877-207-2276. Your questions so before we turn to the phones just wanted to talk a little bit today about the project that I've been working on been digging in to the issues of origin of creation evolution, science and faith. How these things fit together on store the middle of the study been writing articles putting about the call.org as you can see some of the work there again. I.ca RM.org and but as I've been doing that one of the things that you really come back over and over again throughout the study has been the are the necessary preconditions to even have this conversation will be… What kind of universe do we have to be at for science to even be possible for us to even be able to school where does the science point as far as our questions about the origins of life origins of humanity origins of consciousness, origins of the physical universe of stars and galaxies so many fascinating questions on any of these particular topics, but for us to be able to use the scientific method to explore those kinds of subjects.
Certain things have to be true about the universe that don't logically logically necessary if there could be a universe in which science doesn't work and yet that's not the one that exists in the universe that is rational here and it's governed by consistent principles that we describe in scientific laws so you look at the law of gravity or the laws of thermodynamics are the various mathematically precise consistent laws of science. What all those laws picks up descriptions of regularities in nature aspects of the universe that is true that all regular, consistent, and understandable rational and so when we think about that kind of universe why universe that way. What would explain the universe in which math works explain the universe in which we can count on the laws of physics today being the laws of physics tomorrow and today. Ironically, in the most scientific era in human history, debatably at least within the last few centuries were we pride ourselves on the rigor of our science and yet this is the era in which we have leased taken the time or been willing to ask this question. Throughout history and cultures around the world.
People have noticed noticed irregularity in the stars and the heavenly bodies noticed irregularity and whether the predictability of seasons noticed that things work in consistent ways in inbreeding or even when you shoot an arrow or throw a rock that you could calculate its trajectory know where it's going to land why because of this consistent rational way the universe works and what those who have fought on this throughout history, but it's driven them back to consistently is that there is submit singular, supremely powerful mind beyond the beyond the universe that is responsible for the universe. You can find this in and even pagan Roman polytheist so you would think would try to explain it to their many gods but instead you read men like Cicero, the Roman statesman who writes regarding this in his on the nature of the God rights that can be so obvious and clear as we gaze up at the heavenly bodies is that there is some divine power of surpassing intelligence by which they are ordered and attentive and supremely powerful God and if even the pagans can look out and recognize the specs, it's because Romans 120 holds true for since the creation of the world his invisible attributes and eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood stood through what has been made so that they are without excuse. When we look at the way the world around us operates. We see that we are dealing with a world that is governed by God, not by some unknowable force by a personal rational, intelligent God. And so when we reflect on these questions of science and for it creation and evolution in all these other things. Remember that behind that we all have to assume the world as it really gets and that is a world that demands a mind mind prescribes the role of the laws of nature that govern all of these consistent orderly things were discussed at Starbucks behind it all, the existence of God is undeniable. Let's go to the phones were going to go first to GPD in North Carolina. JB you are on the air. There are high I want West or about. I myself with people who will deceive me and I love that. And I don't I don't wondered I want to test. Correctly, you know, about five absolutely let you know Absalom who signs up for operation. Thank you, thank you that is sent to have to clean them question and for those listings.
Let me read that passage so you know what she's asking so in first John chapter 4 it says, beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God because many false prophets have gone out into the world. You know the Spirit of God by dispute of the spirit of God. Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God. Every spirit, but not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world you are from God, little children, and have overcome them, because greater is he that is in you than he who is in the world they are from the world. Therefore they speak as from the world and the world listens to them. We are from God.
He knows God listens to us.
He is not from God does not listen to life this we know the spirit of truth in the spirit of Eric's so here John gives to crucial tests for testing spirit. We live in a world spirit filled with spiritual experiences and some people believe that because they have had this very real and positive in feeling spiritual experience that experienced must be true must be of God, because it feels so good it's so affirming it, but that is not warned dorsal spirit in the same way shortly. Comparables that with false prophets. We have false teachers and false prophets who speak by the spirits other than the spirit of God in their message may be powerful and maybe stirring and it may be very persuasive, but were given here in this passage to important test. First, what do they say about Jesus say that Jesus came in the flesh and and that doesn't just mean for Jesus and have a physical body certainly were Gnostic teachers in the late first early second century and afterwards literally could not get that that Jesus was only a divine being and never became man. This is drawing back to first John is written by the same John who wrote the gospel of John and went in John chapter 1 in the beginning was the word of the word was with God and the Word was God the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.
For this idea that the divine son, the second person of the Trinity came and took on flesh and dwelt among us. This is what John is pointing back to it think that teaching is denied, the mayor.speaking of the spirit of God spirit that would lead you away from that is not the spirit of God, but he goes on further, he says we need the apostles we are from God. He knows he knows God listens to us. He who is not from God does not listen to us and by this you know the spirit of truth in the spirit of error so we can we compare spiritual testimony that we experience today.
We compare that to the testimony of Scripture.
Note the writings of the apostles in the New Testament we go back and we will work there saying doesn't line up with whether it's an inner spiritual experience or the voice of so-called prophet or teacher what they are saying does not line up with the plain teachings of the New Testament. They are not speaking from the spirit of God would be spiritual.
Your outing is not coming from the spirit of God and so I live in Utah and here people put a lot of weight on spiritual experience will I prayed and I have been feeling and it told me, and yet so often where that feeling leads them to is the denial that Jesus is the one true God and the denial of many of the New Testament teachings denial of what it was plainly laid out in Scripture that all echoes this idea elsewhere where he says that the profit on apostle even an angel from heaven. In Galatians chapter 1 even an angel from heaven were to preach to you.
Any gospel other than what the apostles preached the one you find in their teaching in the New Testament than they are to be accursed even having a vision of a of an angel telling you this teaching. If it does not line up with Scripture and it is not teaching Jesus as the one true and living God, then we are not to trust that spirit, we are to rejected that it is literally a command in Scripture beloved to not believe every spirit, but test the spirits. This is urgently important. All right break 877-207-2276 love to answer your questions. How it will be on right after the mass Y call 770776 charismatic welcome back to the show. Not slick for those of you joining us on Luke Wayne, a colleague filling in for him while he's doing ministry on another program and delighted to be with you guys this afternoon so we phoned over the phone lines are open.
Please give us a call at 877-207-2276 with your questions. Questions on difficult passages of Scripture on challenges to the faith, questions and theology, church history of all world religions would love to talk to you guys about these important matters of the Christian life. So with no further delays let's go to the phone lines were going to talk to Alex in Florida, Alex. You're on the air at work appreciate you filling in for Matt it's it's a pleasure to be here. You produce the discussion.
Andrew and Eli thing was that a couple weeks ago I really enjoyed it about presupposition apologetics in the future.
Apologetic. Oh yeah, that's anybody who missed that you can go on our Facebook Facebook page.
Just score back to last week and we had a amazing panel discussion brought in some great apologists and I did the most important thing I could do I just stayed out of it and manage the technology and let those guys talk and wonderful conversation about the state apologetics in the Christian church itself would encourage everybody check out check check out the recording of that on our Facebook page graduate graduate drug that Alex is to question yes to my question and I memorizing Romans 420 through 22 through 25 right thing is important talk about the imputation of the righteousness of Christ in us when you're doing apologetics and evangelism.
So I decided to crack and start memorizing verses, but I noticed in the NASB, it's credited to him. So I used their nasty and ESB wears sorry to counted to him so NASB if it's credited to him yesterday at this counted to him. What can you tell me about that as I feel like that little bit of the difference there.
But maybe you could go to the original text or help me out with that little bit. Alright so for the Lister sake. Let me read the text here. What were talking about so step back a little so people get the context of talking about the faith of Abraham. And so begins in verse 22. Therefore, it was also credited credited to him as righteousness.
So his faith was credited to him as righteousness.
Now, not for his sake only was it written that it would was credited to habit but for four hours sake to whom it will be credited as those who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the debt. So this is as something super important passage about the nature of our justification by grace through faith and that faith credited it to its credited to us a righteousness, not our own, but through our trust in Christ and his perfect right now.
The question here, then, is why do some translations vary on the wording so I'm pulling that up now to okay yeah what's behind their share.
Yeah, I can make a distinction there, but it kind of a little nuance to some extent I don't know if you think it's a huge deal or like what the Greeks said there and why to translations kind of very okay so yeah just looking through ways that it has been translated in a variety of English translations of historic and modern. There's no ambiguity in the Greek that we do know for sure what that what that word is it's not a manuscript issue and so you see it been variously translated as imputed to him reckons to him, credited were counted and we put all of those words together. I think we see a huge overlap in the meeting with her all driving at St. thanks so in this case counted to him as righteousness.
Probably the less clear of the options that English translator to give given us when you put it next to imputed reckoned credited. I think we could say counted to him as righteousness is really meant to say the same thing to say that you are counted as righteous. You are given, the court given that the credit justice as imputed to you so that God would look upon you as bearing that righteousness, not your own given to you by Christ through faith in Elks for I think counted is less clear that when we look at the range of the various words used. I think they are driving at the exact same okay yeah I just I memorizing I agreed that right like the credited occurred Like you that many times talking to unbelievers or teaching to believers when I was looking at your translation to you yet. I don't like to counted down like you're saying it's a little less what were the what were the words used. It's a little less clear letter is less precise than say then credited or reckoned or imputed as we find in some of the older English translations so yeah I mean this is one of those cases it if you are memorizing and a different translation say you find the ESV easier to memorize them and that one particular word you just find it less clear, you're honestly not doing anything wrong to just borrow the word from that one word from the NASB to translate the clear and memorize it as credited, even if the fetus counted that mean the same thing in context and so you're not altering the word of God to to do that in your memorization to habit a way that is most clear and precise in your mind to aid you in both understanding and evangelistic leave. If you are comfortable with substance, substituting the one word that I think is memorizing the NSP. It's a little harder to get in there retain it in the translations that you are most comfortable using it in both in reminding yourself and in the preaching to others. Yeah, I appreciate that a company can consider just a heart reverse right like a big long run-on type thought, and it kinda like you gotta break it down. I've noticed but yeah I appreciate you clearing that up for me. I just can't remember.
Question we got we got another call was waiting but if it's quick, yet really quick really good you do so with the King James only stuck right yes yes I do okay. I'm running you guys care about better PR only and you just explain a little that is receptor, where absolutely going to break right now but I will I will go right into that when we get back from the break, so everybody stay with us and get in line give me a call 877-207-2276 will be right back after the break. Mass Y. Call 770776 charismatic welcome back Wayne again for about slick.
I'm a colleague of Matt's at the Christian apologetics and research Ministry for those of you who are just joining us and on the phone with Alex from Florida and he had a question related to the Texas receptiveness in the TR only movement.
So Alex you are back on the air. Okay good brother yes, like a Texas respected and also about guys that are falling. Texas respected only a touch uncle okay well that is the question that we could spend the hour of the show on because there's there's so much to it for the sake of other callers who have been waiting I'll give as concise a response as I can and then if you have further questions on details of that.
Probably be best to get back in line and I would love to dive into that more later. The show if we got more time on the on the quick the quick version of it so the text is receptive for losers who don't know that the term used for the Greek text of the Greek New Testament text that was used in translating the King James version and other early English Bible translations and it's it's not really one text, but a series of printed texts by several men arrest Mr. Broadus and Baeza who made adjustments to each other's works are based on other hand, Philip manuscript they had available to Remember this was done in the 1500s and you didn't have vast libraries of manuscripts you could go to note digital databases to look at know that collections the printing press was just coming to itself the first people who were making printed Greek text to be available to people. So what they do. They had to go to local libraries in the area. They were in the University libraries, private libraries, monasteries, anybody who might have a manuscript of a book of the Bible. See what you could look at and compare. So for any driven book of the New Testament. TR is based on only 2345 manuscripts science insert pastiche one manuscript to point out that there but there were probably two dozen manuscripts you TR but most of them were not complete New Testament someone manuscript might have the Gospels another.
The letters of Paul but never one revelation, and so on and so you have you have this situation with a combined compiled the best Greek text that they can with the manuscripts they have available to them and then done the critical work of comparing those text and also looking at readings of the delegate and building the best text they Had so early translations were fantastic translations from the text. They have available, but since then we've had the chance to evaluate a much larger number of mega scripts much earlier manuscripts and so the TR is now obvious that in some places the TR was based on a tiny minority of very very very late manuscripts. In a few cases, no Greek manuscripts at all was based on the Latin Vulgate and we've met.
It was never found. The Greek manuscript ever that backs up that week so the TR find extra work for the beginning of returning to the text. The Greek of the Greek and Hebrew. After the time of the specifically Greek, the TR, but after the time of the Middle Ages really no reason for any Christian to reject the work that whether you you you prefer a bison to a majority text position. You accept the critical text found in the Nestlé London the UBS text and such, which ever position you land on either makes much more sense than clinging to the TR out of tradition when even the people who compiled it themselves did not treat it as the work was finished. King James translators itself in the introduction to the 60 K JV specifically regarding work. They were very clear that they were not making this to be the end-all be-all translation of the Adobe all text and so it is simply a later human tradition that would make the TR the final word on basics. If that's really helpful to the King James comments from the TR that right yes yes the King James translators there primarily what they had available to them were the different editions of the TR that the volumes of harassment upon Stefanos and Baeza and they generally preferred Baeza but they consulted all of those either directly or indirectly, by relying on the work previously done by the Geneva Bible by William Tyndale correct that using editions of the recycle bins guys translations in many places which they unashamedly did. But there's nothing wrong with that.
They recognize consulted fine works sometimes we just used his words so when they did that by using earlier English translations by using those pretty text. They were reliant on various editions of the TR to J okay yeah that's really helpful. I'll call back about the TR only, not all our other callers: okay, thank you you as I do. I do hate to have to rush you out of it is important that others just got your second question, those guys would wait.
Wait for a long time but please get Sharon line and I would love to talk you more about it all right okay that was no problem. That was Alex from Florida returning now to move Raleigh, North Carolina. Rudolph, you are on the air, it will hold. Be around currently. Will the Holy Spirit be around during the tribulation time mean is eternal soul course the Holy Spirit will will will always be omnipresent always be God will always be there. I imagine you been something more specific than will you mean like the around three there be working in the lives of people doing good is clear that you be taken away from the earth all you know what passage they try to base that on no okay yeah I I see no reason to think that that would be true. One is by means of the Holy Spirit that Jesus is with us always to the very end of the age and so if Christ has people on the earth.
If there are regenerate believers here.
The Holy Spirit is here dwelling involvement with stocks.if anyone is being convicted of sin, any unbeliever being convicted of sin and judgment of the strength of Christ fits the Holy Spirit who does that work. Also, unless someone is wanting to say that there is future tribulation time with no believers and no redemptive work of God of the earth going… All there would be absolutely no biblical grounds for saying that the Holy Spirit would not be present on the earth, so I see no biblical grounds for saying that he would be good reasons to say the Holy Spirit will still be very active very present working through his people convict and doing all the triune God has ordained for the third person of the Trinity right now and what to talk about the time things in the world you know that I you are a lot there very good.
I'm sorry your ear or your connection was cut out a little that I could.
I'm sorry that you think about anything about you are. I see all the creation research yes yes I see all our Institute of creation research, creation ministries International accretion.com answers in Genesis do a lot of great work from from the younger creationist perspective and art and argue their case from Scripture extremely well and deal with the scientific issues that so yeah those are those are great, great ministries in that area.
Sure okay well thank you very much. Take care you do to thank you for your patience. I know you had the route that they would appreciate it if there no problem, all right.
Have a great one.
Okay, that was Rudolph from Raleigh, North Carolina, and so we will be back to the phone after this break, we do have another line so please call in 877-207-2276 and would love to hear from you Matt slick.
Why call 770776. Welcome back not met. Click will acquaint a colleague of Matt's filling in for him today and so I would like to be on here work with Matt at the Christian apologetics and research Ministry you could find us online at:.org.ca RM.org and have only if you don't have time to call in and have your questions answered here. Many of these questions have been addressed on articles.com and so if you want the expertise that that Matt and guys like him bring to these questions available to you 24 seven. Head over to car, you can Google the way that he's written up and researched numerous questions, just like the ones that you got: with always available to you for free on their.
Let's get back to the stones, turning now to Paul in Virginia. All you are on the air. Think you might what are you all thought they will and I'll just leave it there okay dear, you're cutting it out a little. I apologize.
The audio is not real clear so if you could if you could restate your question just just speak slow and clear. I apologize as I was say what you all's thoughts on the election will occur. Now I have to be honest with you I know Matt Matt field. A lot of the plot political and current event stuff a lot on here he spends more time thinking and doing work in that area, but I am I am not extremely up for informed on politics or which is what you find in the newspaper that just not my area, and so I would be I would be ill-equipped to give you any meaningfully informed answer to a question related to the upcoming election or anything like that by by apologize. Oh it's okay to all you all are considered reformed theology, yes, yes, Carmen, hold to the general reform performed respect. Okay. All right.
Thank you very much no problem no problem. You have a have a great day call you to think you okay that was Paul from Virginia.
Turning now to Michael from North Carolina, Michael, you are on the air travel. Quick comment or question mark local Rotary Jesus Christ to all Matt slick and I have the same reaction whenever we attend a church service or the gospel is preached and the Holy Spirit that we present we break down into the weeping children and I thank God for that payment though. My question you consider the apocryphal word of God. Do I consider the Apocrypha to be the word of God, no, no, I do not wear agreement so you so that I imagine I imagine so much so yeah the Apocrypha for imagine all a lot of listeners are probably fairly familiar, but in case you to do today.
Your… Not familiar with what talking about here, the Apocrypha or Roman Catholics are Eastern Orthodox and often refer to deuterocanonical books but the second Canada day for a group of books that were written after the Old Testament time. Before the time. Were the New Testament books were written and are included by Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox in their Bibles as being Scripture. They are considered by Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox to be inspired Scripture now with Roman Catholics that was not always at the Council of Trent was the first to officially dogmatize that before that some Roman Catholics did believe that they were Scripture and some did not. It was a debated question so you can actually find a number of Roman Catholics including popes who did not believe that the Apocrypha were Scripture, but it is the official dogmatic position of the Roman Catholic Church today looks like first and second Maccabees ceric week about Solomon group Tobit Judith and longer versions of the book of Daniel, the book of Esther R. Scripture also include the hundred 51st installment, I want to say the one or two other books of Maccabees and maybe a few others in there. So these are books that themselves do not claim to be Scripture. They were written after the time of the Old Testament prophets before the time of the apostles, the books of Maccabees even acknowledged that there was no active part of the revelation at that time and that certain questions had to be left open until God should raise up a profitable land to speak the things the book of ceric in the prologue identifies itself as the author is one who is a student of the three: the prophets in the writings and is summarizing the wisdom from those things. So these authors don't seem to of been writing believed that they were composing Scripture, acknowledged the writing at a time. Afterward and distinct from the compositional feel of the Hebrew Scriptures that you have never accepted them Scripture, and Paul says in Romans three that the Jews were entrusted with the oracles of God. Paul Starr and as was carried on and preserved by the Jews. And so the New Testament writers never cite the apocryphal works as Scripture. They make allusions to material from the same way that they make the material from other Jewish or even pagan writings, so it's not that the New Testament writings are then you know they existed. They knew about the day reference film familiar writings of the day, but never as it is written, saith the Lord, or anything that we treated as a distinctly scriptural document of support for numerous reasons, we have no reason to accept and plenty of reason not to accept these books as being God's work. Yeah, I agree. I consider them book but not the word of God as a student of history I find several of the books and mailed useful for research for understanding the historical context of the time. It break about the way certain words were used, that can even sometimes be helpful in understanding the culture behind the New Testament time. Things like that so they're not useless books. We should not treat them as inspired God-given God breathed, Scripture there. There are not there historical books written by Jews during a time when God was not at that time revealing Scripture. So the site you will cover what you want to cover their Michael you like your God bless you and God bless you to thank you for calling and its weight might appreciate okay that was that was Michael were now turned into to Mike from Winston-Salem. Mike you were on the air? Have you ever heard of Leonardo Leonardo Machi I possibly heard the name as a mathematician, yet this was about 12 years ago, one of the most brilliant minds of his time.
And he developed something called the Fibonacci sequence of numbers where you take the you take the numbers like number one number two now that you add the previous number. That number 2+1 is 3X number, then you go to +3 of 5503 is eight sequence does okay Robert what every every number in that sequence has the same ratio is .61 went into infinity. You can take any of the first two or three but after that you went to the thousands and every number in the sequence.
When you put it in the ratio it's the same rate. The reason that's important.
I think this is important for people that want to be the existence of God is behind us have discovered that I had a book I read my Mind about crazy looking for. It was a mathematical book and what I discovered is that everything in the universe from the organizations of spiral galaxies to the DNA sequence follow.
That is called the Golden ratio is so so what your question, how can something so intricate.
The matter of chance and have meant there has to be a greater everything from all five models, organizational flowers that go on the book goes into detail about the different things that are in nature that follow this what's called the Golden ratio as a matter of even our concept of beauty bottles that Golden ratio so this is a subset of overlay of a larger fact to know whether what you're saying is exactly right or not but the fact of the matter is that will be looked at. The way that your medical mass so neatly corresponds happens in reality that philosophers have wrestled with this question for years. Those who who deal with mathematics recognized that the correspondence between mathematics and the actual reality of the physical universe we take most people just take it for granted. But it's not it's not a logically necessary thing at its founding, that there is end of been mathematicians who wrote exploring the question of why does math work and so what you're talking about. If true is is one of just many examples of this reality that conceptual math which is a mental system and framework and abstract material mentioned a rational system and framework corresponds perfectly with the way that actual physical reality behave consistently and perfectly in a way that is extraordinarily difficult to explain by chance or natural.
That's all the time that we have. Thank you for your call Mike, thank you everybody for calling you call that I'm sorry I didn't get to your call back tomorrow you guys. God bless you have a great day and we will see you back with Matt again tomorrow. Another program powered by the Truth Network