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Why Rick Warren Ordaining Three Female Pastors Assures Evangelicalism’s Doom

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Why Rick Warren Ordaining Three Female Pastors Assures Evangelicalism’s Doom

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May 14, 2021 8:00 pm

Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church in Southern California, one of the largest and most influential Evangelical churches in the world, just did something he and the church he leads hadn’t done before—ordained three women to be pastors. And then his wife, Kay, preached on Mother’s Day.

Female pastors are nothing new, at least in the mainline Protestant denominations. So what’s the big deal with Saddleback (and many other Southern Baptist denomination churches) promoting women to be pastors and teachers of men?

We’ll answer that question this weekend on The Christian Worldview.

We’ll also hear part two of the interview with Mike Gendron, director and evangelist of Proclaiming the Gospel Ministry. He will tell us how Pope Francis’ Jesuit background and worldview shape his doctrine and policy initiatives. Mike will also discuss how to have hope in a spiritually darkening time.

Be sure to join us for two important subjects on which Christians need to have a sharp biblical worldview!

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Why Rick Warren ordaining three female pastors assures evangelicalism's do that as a topical discuss today right here on the Christian worldview radio program for the mission is to sharpen the biblical worldview of Christians and to share the good news of Jesus Christ.

I'm David with the host website is the Christian worldview.for one case you didn't hear Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church in Southern California. One of the largest and most influential evangelical churches in the world just did something he and the church. He leads had done before.

They ordained three women to be pastors and then his wife, Kay Warren preached at the church on Mother's Day that female pastors are nothing new, at least in the mainline Protestant denominations. So what's the big deal with Saddleback and many other Southern Baptist denomination churches as well. Promoting women to be pastors and teachers of men going to answer that question today here on the Christian worldview were also going to hear part two of the interview with my gender in the director and evangelist of proclaiming the gospel ministry. He will tell us how Pope Francis is Jesuit background and worldview shape his doctrine and his policy initiatives.

Michael also discuss how to have hope in the spiritually darkening times were going to play one of his answers from last week is review and then get into new material. Here's part two with my gender and much of your ministry focuses on outreach to Roman Catholics of which you were a Roman Catholic, I think for the first 35 or 40 years of your life and you write that Pope Francis, the current Pope, the first Jesuit pope continues his globalist agenda with a conference on global health in this month of May.

Jesuit trained some of this Dr. Anthony Fauci along with Chelsea Clinton and the CEOs of pharmaceutical Manufacturers mode IRNA and Pfizer will be among the speakers. Both Pope Francis and Fauci are disciples of the Jesuits and collaborate with other major players such as Jesuit Dr. Robert Redfield, former head of the CDC and humanistic Dr. Francis Collins who is head of the National Institutes of Health. The conference may need to address the Vatican statement that it is quote morally acceptable to receive covert 19 vaccines that have used cell lines from aborted fetuses in their research and production process on quote more than 100 speakers, some of whom hold views diametrically opposed to church teachings will speak including New Age guru Deepak Chopra now whenever we talk about Roman Catholic doctrines and teachings, and so forth. I like to make a distinction between the third many well-meaning, very nice Roman Catholics out there who just probably don't understand or have them exposed to the, the un-biblical doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church and its leadership.

So Mike remind us about what the Jesuits actually believe in hell. This Pope is part of a a global Marxist agenda will sure the Jesuits were formed during the 16th century of the counterreformation. My work consider the secret police of a C in their stated objective was to destroy all opposition to the prophecy into the Roman Catholic Church and so you had a lot of the Reformation people were put to death by the Jesuits. In fact, one of the most terrifying times was the St. Bartholomew's day massacre when the streets of Paris were ankle-deep with the blood of the French, even those who were born again Christians in the Catholic Church have been put to death for those who put people to death put Christians to death. They were given a plenary indulgence by the Pap assay for murdering born-again Christians and so they have a history of putting to death. Anything that opposes the Roman Catholic Church and the Pap assay and so now you say that the Pope is Jesuit for the first time in papal history and you also mentioned that we have theology as a Jesuit who is working hand-in-hand with the Pope to bring about a global health organization tracker having a conference this month and Pope Francis has a philosophy or progressivism which implies human progress will lead to paradise on earth.

And the perfection of man is a David the Roman Catholic Church view of eschatology is that Jesus will not return to the earth until the whole Roman Catholic to the whole world is Roman Catholic and so that's what you see the Pope pushing this ecumenical agenda and this global religion in a global government and so his recent letter Humana come you tossed it so stated that there is a obedience that is demanded by the Pope through conversion of thought, and this involves changing what the reader knows, in exchange for what Ron tells you to believe, regardless of reality does not sound like where we are today. The motive for our common responsibility is for the common good.

Were all rights, including property are placed second to the interest of the papal sea. So this is the papal agenda. The social Marxism and we have a lot of willing pawns are going along with this agenda you mentioned Redfield and Tony strategy. We also have Gov. Cuomo and Gov. Newsom girl Jesuit trained and so this was one of the strategies of the Jesuits to take over the world through education and they been very good at that. Establishing a lot of high schools and colleges and universities but also establishing hospitals throughout the world so we can see their agenda is really come to fruition and that this global agenda now is in place for the Jesuits to take over just one more question about the Pope because he has been. I think even by many conservative Catholics estimation a very liberal leader of that particular entity. Pope Francis you say in your newsletter has become the most controversial Pope in the last 300 years, he has made numerous contentious indisputable statements that not only go against historic Roman Catholicism, but they also violate the infallible word of God.

Tragically, his fatal lies often go unchecked and are leading millions of people down the wide road to destruction. You go on to say, we must warn Catholics with the sobering words of Christ to beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves than you give some examples here, which I think are really notable to read Mike about some of the things this Pope has said you say during a message in St. Peter's Square.

He said quote God wants his children to overcome all particularism in order to be open to the universality of salvation that was at night in the November 2019 years earlier. Pope Francis declared quote the Lord has redeemed all of us with the blood of Christ, all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone, even atheists.

Everyone the blood of Christ has redeemed us all that was said in 2013, one more quote. There is no hell where sinners suffer for eternity after death. Those who do not repent cannot be pardoned, and they disappear.

And recently, Pope Francis has endorsed same sex or homosexual unions, so what is your your message Mike to Roman Catholics listening today. Or maybe anyone else listening today about some of these things. The Pope has said and how they are contrary to what the Bible teaches.

Let's say specifically about the issue of there's one way of salvation through Jesus Christ.

Yeah I think a great example of those who exchange the truth of God for a lie because the Pope either doesn't know what the Bible teaches already knows that it is deliberately going against it, because the Lord Jesus spoke of how more than he did about heaven for the Pope to good night and hell exist is calling Jesus a liar and we know that Jesus is the one and only head of the church but yet the Pope takes the title away from them stating that he is the head of the church. We also know that there is only one holy father but yet the Pope wears that title as well.

And so what we want to tell Roman Catholics is that you need to come out from under this church that is teaching nothing but deception and lies.

There is a very narrow road that leads to heaven and Jesus said there is a wide road that leads to destruction of many are on it and so we need to point Catholics to the narrow road, and that is by salvation through Christ alone. The reformers who rebelled against the Roman Catholic Church. After reading the Scriptures the Catholic Church taught that you were saved by grace, plus merit and faith plus works in Christ, plus other mediators in the word of God plus sacred tradition was their authority. And so the reformer said no, no, no, were saved by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. According to Scripture alone all the glory of God alone. So there is one, one gospel that saves in the Catholic Church is a false and stable gospel and Catholics don't even know that they're being deceived because the very nature of deception is that people do not know the decedent tiller confronted with the truth they were. That's what happened to me when I picked up the Bible for the first time at age 35 I was confronted with the truth of God's word and I had a choice. Should I trust Christ and his word for my salvation or the teachings and traditions of my religion and God granted may repentance a giggly eyes to see them turn my life upside down. I've never been the same, but I have a great passion to share the truth of God's word with Roman Catholics who don't even know there deceived.

We need to tell them that every sin that's ever been punished by every man and woman that's ever lived will be punished by holy and righteous God, and is only one of two places that he will punish sin and satisfy divine justice, either at the cross of Christ were Catholics can put their trust in him. Those are all sufficient Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ where he satisfies divine justice sins are forgiven and the wrath of God has been dismissed because Christ bore at all or they can say no thank you Jesus, for one day they will meet them at the great white throne judgment and divine justice will be satisfied.

There weren't God's wrath is poured out on the center who refused to trust Jesus as their substitute taking the wrath of God in their place. It's a very simple gospel.

God is a holy and righteous judge that much promise.

Then man is the center all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. There is none righteous, but God didn't leave us without hopeless and helpless condition. He gave us a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ and the great news is that anyone who repents and believes the gospel that Jesus took the wrath of God that sinners deserve them for gave her sons if they will simply repent and believe the gospel. They will be forgiven and have the gift of eternal life. This is the glorious news of the gospel that Roman Catholics need to turn away from their false teachings and believe the true gospel of Christ so well said Mike, thank you for explaining the good news of Jesus Christ. And it's it's based on God's grace. It doesn't this not something we can earn through doing religious deeds. If we could work for then God would always something you've you've worked for this. Therefore, I owe you. It's like working at a for a job you you you spend your time, you labor you work and then the boss pays you. That's not how it works in God's economy in God's economy said you could never do enough good work to offset all the sin you are already done. But here's I'm in the dew on them to graciously undeserved favor unmerited favor toward human offer you my son the gift of my son to pay the penalty. You deserve to pay for your sins on the cross and all you must do is repent of your sin and receive this gift by faith alone in what Christ did alone and God promises to forgive us to deal with that sin, to put it away from us as far as the east is from the west to account his son's righteousness to us so that he can welcome us into heaven someday. What a glorious gospel Mike and thank you for explaining that today my gender in with us today here on the Christian worldview. If anyone is listening, who is never put their trust and faith in Christ.

Both of us just urge you in the strongest way we can to do that today. Now is the appointed time of salvation. Today is the day. Don't put it off. We don't know what were going to die. We only have the opportunity to receive this gift.

Well, we are yet breathing and so make that choice to receive Christ as your Savior and Lord. Today my couple more questions for you and this one comes from a a report out of the United Kingdom, Britain, London. From the website Christian headlines. It was in many media outlets around the world that said last week. Late in April. A pastor was arrested in the London after he delivered a public sermon on the biblical definition of marriage out of Genesis chapter 1, John Sherwood, who is 71 and the pastor of a North London church was arrested April 23 in the center of Oxbridge London under the public order act for making quote allegedly homophobic comments on quote. According to the daily mail of video shows him standing on top of the stepstool before being handcuffed and led away by police as a crowd watched one person can be heard, gasping in shock quote for a man preaching about Christianity," a woman says in the video critical of police action. He was later released and he said this quote I wasn't making any homophobic comments. I was just defining marriage as a relationship between one man and one woman, he said, according to the daily mail. I was only saying what the Bible says wasn't wanting to hurt anyone or cause offense. I was doing my job description says, which is to preach the gospel in open-air as well as in a church building. When the police approached me. I explained I was exercising my religious liberty in my conscience. I was forcibly pulled down the steps and suffered some injury to my wrist into my elbow. I do believe I was treated shamefully ever have happened unquote the Christian worldview. David Wheaton returns in just a moment.

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Eight years is Laura Jensen, until I found the Lord Jesus Christ's legislation now in our school queen story even into our churches talk about people the proceeding is from in his image. 100 documentary film that biblically and compassionately addresses the issue of transgender is in order the DVD for a donation of any amount to the Christian world, 888 646-2233 right to Box 401, Excelsior, MN 55331 Christian worldview.1888 646-2233. The Christian worldview.org welcome back to the Christian worldview sure to visit our website Christian worldview.org we can subscribe to our free weekly email and annual print newsletter resources for adults and children and support the ministry. Now back to today's program with host David Wheaton Mike I can actually see you when I read Esther I can see you as that man and that stepstool preaching the gospel boldly on the street like that and so I wanted to ask you this question. How are street evangelists like that like this man, John Sherwood and to a lesser degree pastors because their inside churches and that's more tolerated power. Street evangelists specifically that the canaries in the coal mine of a society about where culture is about the freedoms of speech and conscience and religion.

We know from the word of God that the end times will be marked by great apostasy. There will be a falling away from the faith, it's because people are no longer willing to stand for the truth and more than ever I think we need to be bold and courageous, such as a street preacher and they fearlessly need to recognize that the gospel is the only thing that can set people free from the bondage of religious deception and so we need to proclaim it loudly and clearly and we need to be fearless on my recent book, contending for the gospel deals with this because there is such a compromise of the gospel going on today, such that people like you mentioned are the focal point of the persecution because so many pastors today have taken the offense out of the gospel. There, drawing people with a seeker friendly gospel has no call to repentance.

No call to turn from sin. Just quote "accept Jesus and continue on the way you're living so this is where the church ages, and we shouldn't be surprised because the Bible tells us that really a period of time.

The light of civilian age were the church will be lukewarm and Jesus will be outside the church so Dave and I think more than ever we need to stand boldly for the truth of the gospel. You know the offense of the gospel is that it that's exclusive that's a narrow way and you have to come to God his way and the only way is through Christ with empty hands of faith. The only thing we can bring is our sound and so I would hope that your listeners would recognize that it's only going to get worse for Christians and we have to make a decision now are we going to live for Christ and stand for the truth or we gonna compromise and detect ourselves. Unfortunately, the gospel will be compromised if people do that so thank you for a ministry like your own bit does have a strong and bold stand for the truth because there are very few like yours out there right now to God be the glory automatic for anything we are. We do and we we think the same about proclaiming the gospel as well proclaiming the gospel.org is the website just have one more question for you.

You would reference this earlier in our interview today about Romans 828 sometimes gets a little overused, or maybe misinterpreted, but the truth of that passage, I think, gives Christians and believers great hope in days like this. For one thing seem out of control seem like they're darkening getting worse. You say in your newsletter while being banned from future flights and American Airlines you talk about that earlier have an adverse effect in my future travel. I am comforted in knowing that God sovereignly controls all things, there is a peace that surpasses all understanding. Knowing that this injustice is for his glory and my good in your reference Romans 828 is which is in God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to his purpose. I have already experienced some good from this story going viral throughout the world. You mentioned this missionary in Italy who never heard of the ministry went to the website and asked if he could translate our gospel tracts into Italian you say also missionary in Croatia put me in touch with an attorney for legal advice. A missionary in Northern Ireland, encourage me to expose this miscarriage of justice through the radio and TV programs, the director of worldwide ministry in Australia asked for all of the subscribers to pray for us which organ asked Christian worldview listeners to do for you as well Mike, be assured, you say that we will rest in his perfect will.

So Mike as we close today. How to encourage people that in this darkening time politically darkening time morally in the church as you've talked about that God is working together all things for good, for his glory and our good blowing out I got of his sovereignty has sovereign control over all things that take place not only on this earth but also what is universe and so we know that his plan of redemption is working out according to his perfect plan and so he will continue to use those who have been called according to his purpose to share the gospel to draw his elect out of the world for his future glory, and so we have to be about the Lord's business in these last days and I really do believe were in the last days before the Lord comes in. So, more than ever we have to go out and make sure were doing the Lord's work were proclaiming his gospel with clarity with boldness and also were calling people to repent and believe the gospel because there are so many un-biblical means of evangelism today by well-meaning evangelists that are asking people to quote "accept Jesus rather than believe in him, trust in him. Have faith in him and are asking people to repeat the sinners prayer rather than repent and believe the gospel. We just need to be careful that if we give the gospel with clarity and with completeness. We need to ask people to repent of any false way that they're trusting and put all of their trust of an all sufficient Savior who finish the work of redemption, and then he cried out in victory. It is finished and that is the gospel we need to proclaim and there's only one saving response that is to repent and believe it so well said Mike, thank you for coming on the Christian Realty radio program today. Thank you for the, the God glorifying Christ proclaiming work that you do at proclaiming the gospel all of God's best, and grace to you all. Thank you, David, always a pleasure to be on your show. Keep looking up our redemption is not if you just joined us.

That was an interview with Mike Gendreau and the founder and evangelist at proclaiming the gospel ministry. I was part two of our interview with him. We did part one last week. If you missed either one.

You can go to our website the Christian worldview.org all our programs are archived there and again the encouragement is to sign up for my gender ends i.e. newsletter just by going to their website, pro-gospel.org. Let's change gears here now to a topic we previewed at the beginning of the program today about Rick Warren and Saddleback church. The church he leads, ordaining three female pastors and there are lots of headline news stories going on right now. The massive immigration taking place at America's southern border vaccines for covert, 19 the potential danger of them, that the mandates going on with them. The outright bribery going on with them.

I read a story this week about the Ohio governor is literally offering those who get vaccinated. The ability to go into a lottery that someone's going to be given $1 million. A new person awarded each week $1 million. The next for five weeks but only people who get the vaccines can be entered in this lottery just truly you can you make this up. Other news stories. Just the push to socialism. Socialistic policies in this country. Things that critical race theory taking over corporations and public schools. We saw hacking of a gas company this week and oil company weathers fuel shortages on the East Coast, and of course what's going on in Israel and Palestine right now. A flare up another military conflict between those two entities considering all those things I would suggest that the most critical issue to discuss for us is the evangelical churches downgrade at this point, the Southern Baptist convention, which is the largest Protestant denomination in America is on a path toward I think it can't be described any other way but to liberalism that they toyed with this back in the think it was the late 70s early 80s and there was a conservative resurgence with an intermediate column from Al Mohler today coming out that he talks about this in the three issues that they are in some other denominations as well who would been historically more conservative. The three issues are the issues of social justice and critical race theory that that's a big one focusing on social issues or racial issues instead of the priority of the gospel that the great commission.

The second issue is dealing with the issue of homosexuality and transgender is him. That's a major one.

Making inroads into evangelical churches, and the third one that were going to discuss now for the rest the program is women becoming pastors and teachers over men in churches that these are the same issues which have cratered other mainline denominations into nothing more than social club is so full of false doctrine liberal politically and so forth.

And this is a major impact on society. That's why say it's probably more important than some of the major headline news going on right now because when that the church is not salt and light anymore what it's called to be. Society follows in and goes downhill because people in society are being saved are not being renewed by the word of God or sent a reverence for God and his word and it just follows one that the church is weak that society becomes further away from God as well. Just consider nations where biblical Christianity has little presence. Like many nations like Russia or China, or air ran the leader tyrannical places, there's no freedoms live worship false gods. The oppressive big government just terrible places because there is no influence of a Bible believing churches now. Yes, Christians tend to be very committed to the truth in these places because there's a great cost to becoming a believer and they have counted that cost so there's not a lot of lukewarm Christians because why suffer for something you really don't believe so.

There are many strong Christians but there's not lots of them to really have a big influence on society as a whole.

That's not the goal. By the way of biblical Christianity is is a better nation, but I am saying is that that's a practical result of a church in a nation that has prominence in power because it's holding to sound doctrine and proclaiming the gospel that is a nice benefit that there is influence in society. That's how it was earlier in the time in America when there was more of a general reverence for God's word even Western Europe which was once Christian back in the time of the Reformation. Many of the nations had strong Christian populations is now very weak churches are dying. These nations jettisoned biblical truth long ago and now are just a mess of chaotic morality, spirituality, even militarily, they can even defend themselves if it weren't for the United States and what a country like France or or Germany or England do. Yes, they have militaries but there were a major conflict.

They come knocking at the door the United States because they just don't have any sort of strength in their society anymore. I think that go straight back to the fact that there is no spiritual strength there anymore. Enter Rick Warren, the author of the purpose driven life of best-selling book and also the pastor of Saddleback Church in Southern California. This is one of the largest and most influential evangelical churches in the country and Warren, Rick Warren is one of the most influential pastors around Mother's Day this year, Rick Warren and Saddleback Church ordain for the first time in its history. Female pastors, three of them not Rick Warren has been in ministry for years. This is a smart man. He's well educated, he knows very well with the church's historic stance on the issue of women in ministry are being becoming pastors. He's knows without stances is been the same for millennia since the time of the first century church which is for men to be pastors and teachers at church and also leaders in the home. The Christian worldview returns in just a moment with a growing and aggressive segment of our society in full throated opposition to God in biblical Christianity.

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The Bible says the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. The Bible says, do not copy or conform to the pattern of this world. We don't base our practices on man-made traditions that Jesus said it is useless to worship me. If you replace what God commands with your own made-up rules.

Matthew 15 nine when I heard him say this, we don't do anything if there's not a biblical basis for and we don't do things like the world.

My mouth is just hanging open. That is exactly what he's doing or doing something completely un-biblical and completely typical of the human reasoning that is so pervasive in liberal churches.

It's like you tell a lie. You tell a big lie right to people and then they believe it and you tell the lie really fast nurse always ever not to spend a lot of time on this, the blanks are already filled in. In your sermon notes there. It's like working to get through this fast and move on to other things more important, you mean like violating the word of God. For the first time in the church's history and trying to kinda roll through it. Jesus commanded the church leadership is to be different from the worldview of leadership. Matthew 20 in this world leaders act like powerful rulers, but among you is to be completely different. Whoever wants to be a leader among you must become the servant of all.

So we based not just on leadership that we base everything we do all of our practices on the authority of Scripture. All Scripture is inspired by God and it is useful for teaching the truth from rebuking error for correcting false giving instruction for right living, so that we who serve God will be fully qualified again.

He just said we base all of our practices on the authority of Scripture. And he's going directly against Scripture and ordaining three female pastors for his church will get into the biblical basis for in a minute but is just astounding to even listen to him try to act like what he's doing that there's some great biblical basis for because there is not. He doesn't even mention the passages in Scripture that deal with who should be elders and pastors and have authority in the church like first Timothy two and first Corinthians 14. He completely ignores those improved texts are pulled to a passage is not relevant to women becoming pastors and church and uses that as the basis for why he's doing this. There is 2000 years of church history where no Orthodox Church ever does this in the nerve to to couch it as we don't do anything is not in the Bible there is an online interview with one of the female pastors who was ordaining Cynthia Petty at Saddleback and here is what she said. The question was how did you learn that you would be appointed one of the first female pastors for Saddleback church and she said quote. It was a very typical Monday morning on November 2, 2020 Cove. It had its impact on our Saddleback staff because we are not able to all be together in the office is on this day a short staff meeting was called by Pastor Rick at 1 PM. That usually meant there was a new development, and I was hoping it meant we are going to hear the news that we were able to get back to church in the office out of the blue, I received a call and was from Pastor Rick. Honestly, my heart skipped a beat because I thought he was going to asked me to speak at the staff meeting. He explain that he and the elders had been discussing for many months. The possibility to ordain women as pastors at Saddleback Church.

He told me that the elders unanimously voted to appoint me. One of the first three women pastors at Saddleback Church and that it would be announced in the staff meeting that afternoon. He affirmed my leadership in my calling to ministry and was a conversation I will not forget. This is again Cynthia Petty one of the women who was ordained as a pastor of Saddleback church. She goes on to say, I had always been involved in churches where women could lead under the authority of a male pastor, so this change in philosophy for women in ministry was revolutionary. I was honored and felt extremely humbled and the thing I believe meant the most to me was how this would be groundbreaking for all of the younger women ministers on staff who really did have the desire or dream to be a pastor one day.

There is what's to come more of the same more of that. This is just the start. She goes on to say in the past decade, the role of women in the church has evolved, but let me add, the Bible has not evolved much study in Scripture about women in ministry has become clearer and women have also realized, as I did that they have gifts that can be used in the church alongside her male counterparts anytime are talking about the evolution of Scripture or the evolution of understanding of Scripture you are getting into a place you shouldn't go. She goes on to say, as I mentioned previously, my desire to have the title pastor was never anything I pursued. However, as I see young women in the church begin to learn more about their own giftedness, their desire to lead and be used to the fullest extent has been greatly enhanced by opening these new opportunities as pastor. This is a new day.

She says for women in ministry and I am honored and blessed to help carry this mantle of being a pastor and have the title is next GEN ministries pastor at Saddleback Church, what is there to say to that. It's just human reasoning. Scripture is not the authority and things have evolved and now this is going to be the.

The inspiration for even more younger women to become pastors of churches. This is why the program is named so apocalyptic lead today why Rick Warren ordaining three female pastors assures evangelicalism's doom. Albert Mohler, the president of Southern Baptist theological seminary, a very prominent evangelical himself wrote an article about this. Just recently I with regard to Rick Warren's situation is Saddleback but also what's going on in the denomination that he is a prominent leader of the by the way Saddleback church is a Southern Baptist convention church.

Mohler writes behold a little cloud like a man's hand is rising from the sea. He says this was the message that the prophet Elijah heard from his servant, then in a little while while the heavens grew black with clouds and wind. There was a great rain.

That's the way issues often arise. Mohler writes at first, there is only a small cloud. Soon thereafter, here comes the downpour well here it comes, the issue of women serving as pastors and preachers and churches roiled the Southern Baptist convention from the 1970s until the conservative resurgence in the convention clarified the question conclusively in the Baptist Faith and message revision of the year 2000. There never was a moment when more than a handful of women served as pastors of SBC churches, Southern Baptist convention, but the mainline Protestant denominations were rushing headlong into the ordination of women as pastors and Episcopal priests driven by two major energies. Listen to this. First, the demands of second wave feminism, and second, the impulses unleashed by liberation theology. In both cases the main obstacle was the Bible but already compromised by theological liberalism. These denominations deployed revisionist arguments to defuse any argument from Scripture the strategies of biblical subversion also took two basic forms.

The argument was proffered that either the Bible was misread by Christians for nearly 2000 years or the Bible, which is hopelessly mired in patriarchy and oppression in the biblical authors were flat wrong. Usually these arguments went together. Mulder goes on to say in this column. Liberal theology is the kiss of death for any church or denomination little remains but social justice activism and deferred maintenance. In truth, the issue of women serving as pastors fueled the conservative resurgence in this PC. The question was instantly clarifying the divider for women serving in the pastorate served as a signal of the deeper divide over the authority and interpretation of the Bible.

That's what this is all about who or what is the authority, is it God's word or is it man's reason. That's what this issues about simply put, the only way to affirm women serving in the pastoral role is to reject the authority and sufficiency of biblical texts such as first Corinthians 14.

In first Timothy to what you're going to read in a minute. There is more to the picture, but not less. Furthermore, the Christian churches in virtually every tradition through nearly 2 millennia in almost every place on earth has understood these texts clearly in most churches around the world.

There is no question about these texts.

Even now, furthermore, there is the testimony of God given differences in the roles of men and women in the church and in the home throughout the Bible, the pattern of revealed truth is not hard to follow that from Albert Mohler, who by the way. While he writes very well on this topic. She, as the leader of Southern Baptist theological seminary could have done much more and should be doing much more to weed out and eliminate all kinds of the professors at his seminary that are soft on Iraqi promoting of critical race theory but he hasn't done that. So I think it's a little hard for him to take this stance on women becoming pastors when he's allowed.

I believe quite a bit of drift in his own seminary on the issue of critical race theory. He says he's personally against it, but he hasn't done anything to remove those teachers in his seminary that teach things. Contrary to Scripture, but let's get this pattern of revealed truth. He's talking about.

First Timothy chapter 2 Paul writing to Timothy, who was a younger man in the faith. He was pastoring a church in that the city of Ephesus. At this particular time when he wrote to them. Here's what Paul says to Timothy, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments, but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness that here in verse 11. A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness, but I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. All read the verse again.

First Timothy two verse 12, but I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet, for it was Adam who was first created and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression, but women verse 15 will be preserved to the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self restraint that last first first 15 talks about the fact that women being preserved means at their influence being is preserved because they are the primary influencers in the bearing of children even more than fathers are. But back to the point here. I do not allow woman to teach or exercise authority over man, but to remain quiet in the two reasons given are in verse 13 in verse 14, for it was Adam who was first created and then Eve. This is not a cultural thing of that day. Paul goes right back to the very beginning of time of creation were the basis for this is Adam was first created and then Eve. Therefore, there is the did the standard God standard for the authority in the church in the home. Verse 14.

A second reason, it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.

Does that mean that women are more gullible. Are there more easily just deceived, perhaps, but we really don't even really need to know what God means by this is just clear that the way God has established. The issue of authority in the church and in the home mentor to be in leadership in the church in the home, but that doesn't mean that women can't have leadership roles in certain capacities in the church was forgetting that in a minute.

Further proof that Scripture only has men to be pastors and teachers of other men in the church. First Timothy three the very next chapter talks about who an overseer or elder, who put a pastor should be in it's always described as being a male. It is a trustworthy statement.

Paul writes if any man aspires to the office of overseer. It is a fine work he desires to do an overseer than her pastor must be above reproach, the husband of one wife. There is the male description, not the wife of one husband, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach. That's the qualification of an elder and they must be able to teach the word of God not addicted to wine or pugnacious but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money she not she must be one who manages his own not her own household well keeping his children, not her children under control with all dignity, but if a man does not know how to manage his own household. How will he take care of the church of God and should not be a new convert so that he will not become conceited and fall into the condemnation incurred by the devil, and she again not she must have a good reputation with those outside the church so that she will not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. So you can look at chapter 2 of first Timothy and he describes very clearly that a woman should not teach or exercise authority over a man again that's in the church and in the home in the next chapter shows exactly what that pastor should be like in the. The qualification is that you see all throughout all the different character qualities it's he he he all the way through, is to be a man know one more passage from first Corinthians 14, setting the basis the foundation. This is not made up by the Christian worldview or me.

This is right from the inspired and inerrant and infallible, all sufficient word of God that never fails.

That is the truth that Jesus described it, sanctify them in your word. Your word is truth. Let God be found true, though every man be found a liar. I love that verses from Romans 34 but I'm just realizing that we are running out of time on today's programs were going to pick this up next week because this is a super important critical topic that biblical Christians cannot get weak knees about again it's not a manner better than women issue at all. It say this is what God has said issue and therefore we need to obey God's ways are higher than our ways and his thoughts are higher than our thoughts. This is a DOS, saith the Lord issue, we must obey what saith the Lord God has good purposes for our good and for his glory, and therefore we must follow his will and this is a doctrinal Hill to die on an issue of first priority because we live in a world where the church so easily compromises the truth of Scripture, the Christian there is one thing we must always look to and trusting Jesus Christ and his word are the same yesterday and today and forever until next time think biblically live accordingly and stand firm. The mission of the Christian worldview is to sharpen the biblical worldview of Christians claim the gospel of Jesus Christ.

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