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February 11, 2021 10:48 am
Biblical inerrancy is a critical doctrine and far too many churches have abandoned it to embrace the ways of the world. Today Steve is joined by Pastor Grant Castleberry of Capital Community Church - Raleigh for Theology Thursday!
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I have received noble show.com now here's your host Steve Noble having duty… Popular word on guarantee of the Bible true and accurate knowledge teaches trusted and what about all these different versions and it has been around for a couple thousand years in the sit like a game above telephone etiquette, one-person experts and experts the next person and by the time he gets around you. You don't, you're not even anywhere near what it originally said so maybe it's not so inerrant, that way. Or perhaps it is how you deal with that all the different versions of the Bible is a great topic working to dive into that today on theology Thursday will do that after you guys get to know a little bit more about this pastor that's in here today grant Castleberry set with a capital community church here in Raleigh, North Carolina, a Texan by birth a Marine and M.Div. guy, a PhD guy but let's start with all Texas A&M Texas thing is I last QI guess you watch the other theology Thursday without actually wearing a Longhorn hat was ideal you that you were and were Longhorn here today. Yeah just got up to get on to state you want to. I decided I either forgot you because I'm old or there were some rare moment of grace and mercy, and avoidance of conflict.
You, so it's probably better than ever be a distraction, I think. But anyway group in Texas is served in the Marines you just tell me the story and never to talk about biblical inerrancy. That's grants really right middle of that right now and he is talking about a book that is reading which brought the subject up and I was like Noah, let's go talk about that on the air. But growing up in Texas, son of an aviator.
You became a Marine yourselves a hot kind of the Lord bring you all the way here to Raleigh North Carolina by way of Texas and the Marines in Texas. A no go. Aggies will tell a funny you Starwood Texas A&M. I was most people think of texting and football.
But there's also a corps of cadets at Texas A&M military school if you will yeah and and one of the things that the upperclassman would always tell me my freshman year at A&M is that I had a face made for radio just in case you don't know that that's not a compliment, but for those of you that are on the radio and earning Facebook life that doesn't make any sense to me because I'm perfectly secure my manhood. You're a really good looking guy and I don't know why they would say that I know why people say to me, but I don't like what was up with that that they just gig and he was a freshman. With that the deal totally totally rural, friendly people at Texas A&M but yeah I went to A&M and was in the Corps of cadets and this was right in the middle of the Iraq war post 9/11 and had already felt God's call to ministry and the same time. I just felt this compulsion that before I went into pastoral ministry that I needed to serve in the Marine Corps first and my father was a Marine in you mentioned that briefly was killed in a Marine Corps plane crash. I was to my mom remarried a Marine. Another another Marine in Maine press.
Now that he raised me and my grandfather's Marine others, the family online family legacy and I just you know, the country was at war. I felt like I needed to do it. Yeah.
And I did serve for four years, but in so doing God was even then preparing me for pastoral ministry ended up getting off active duty 2011 in South Carolina served on the church there and went to southern so thank you for your service course and how did being in the in the Marines in that environment hot honey think that's impacted you then as a pastor many ways I think it taught me how to lead.
Lead by example how to make tough decisions, and in moments of crisis.
You always there's a saying in records. Hurry up and wait yeah and this is kind of the way friction happens when friction happens. It seems like everything goes wrong it wants your right and that's that's the nature of combat. That's the nature of of any type of conflict that thinks everything is wrong. The same oils, you have hours or days of boredom.
But the question is, and I think this is what makes great leaders. How do you actually respond in the middle of the conflict in their can you keep your wits about you and those types and there can be plenty conflict in the church, whether we have COBIT or not every church is going to experience some level of cost a lot of conflict.
Things are covert in their eternal politics and their in and I know that you also you're very politically astute not know any pastors that wave do think that kind of flowed out of service to country, growing up a bond about Marines you cared about the state of the nation, or where did that come from. I would say the I really started paying attention to political thought I went down to Pensacola for my training to be an air traffic control officer in my mentor there is a guy named Todd Leonard and he's very he's evangelical. He is a men's ministry. Donna Pensacola but is also very politically astute and he just kinda part of that discipleship you hate will start paying attention to this and and and understanding how this works is part of my discipleship. There is a lot more application from the Scriptures to just our personal lives and families fatherhood motherhood, finances, whatever you can obviously use it and we should use in engaging the political arena when it comes to biblical inerrancy will just turn the corner married for kids by way healthier kids. Well, my son's six birthdays today today happy birthday, so I juggle two girls 10 86 and and then we have a 20-month-old, which is why you look so bored when we saw each other at Sam's Club or BJ's. I think I had kids and I yeah oh yeah I can tell you where I do everything I can from any aisles away.
I knew exactly where you are yeah that's about. Our kids are older we have for as well so I totally understand that so biblical inerrancy. I don't know did you think that we think about it directly much in the church is to be asked somebody why do you believe the Bible right. I think a lot of Christians aren't ready to really answer that question well that's exactly right. I think evangelicals probably for the past 20 to 30 years have largely taken inerrancy for granted. Yeah right you know it's it's just something that we assume and when you assume you can begin to yeah that can be a problem in and especially as ardent as our culture and our nation becomes more secularized and more more churches pushing away from the inerrancy. That's why such a big deal.
That way we can show today. Talk about theology Thursday grant Castleberry capital Community Church Of Trinity Church.com and Raleigh will be right back to doing a thing here and leave Valentine's Day that I like that song we doing the heart of the witch which didn't do that because grant Castleberry's here today the senior browser capital Community Church or Marine pastor, husband and father, but you don't really scream pink no so I hope not.
You don't but we got all this pink stuff going on here in the studio just because it's Valentine's Day coming up on Sunday, which is I don't I don't know what that means for anybody but anyway you can go to the Facebook page of this email will show you can also now are now live on YouTube for going that last will see what happens to see noble page on YouTube.
You can do that or of course on the radio every grammar happy that you're here theology Thursday with Pastor Grant talking about a biblical inerrancy which is something that I hope that that word rings a bell to you and that you studied it before, but odds are it's not something that you're really too in-depth mixed up with consumer contact. Second, what else, what was true simply get back to my foundation. What's my house that is is feeling tempted to shake right know what's at build time.
Oh, oh, that's right.
Thank you Lord, thank you father the rock of Jesus Christ. I know the big picture. I know the overarching narrative. I know the dissent of civilization. Then Jesus comes back and settles every account every injustice will be dealt with in the end, and every sinner, every sin will be paid for it to be paid by you personally if you refuse to acknowledge God and reach out for forgiveness and accept it through his son. You will pay for every one of your sins or Jesus already did. That's it. But every account can be settled sweeter. Jesus paid it because those individuals placed their faith in him and the substitutionary atonement takes place takes care of them and all other garbage all their sin. All my sin. I hope all of your sent or no thanks on work my way in, or no think that just a bunch of bunk.
I blow it off your get a paper every single injustice.
Every single sin you ever committed. Starting at whatever age 5 or six or seven day that's the deal. So I go back to the rock which gives me great peace at times like this. Okay. And that's why as we talked about yesterday and my buddy Bill man is on Facebook live today sent me saying I cannot talk about another way.
1/3 way and he actually wrote a blog post with some of the talk, but hopefully on Friday. Bill, the third way in the 3rd Way, Christ way has never been a more obvious need for it, then I think right now in the history nation. Okay let me jump over here to the boundary like talking about every word screwed up. I got three waffle house. I thought Paul wrote wrote Romans didn't. How are you saying that God wrote Scripture well Peter says and this is another important verse. He says and second Peter chapter 1. By the way, in case you're wondering on Facebook live that which is that that book that the Bible doesn't light up. You don't put your thumb run is lit, pages which is nice to hear.
For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
So you that there's a mystery there. How did men write and you read the Bible and you see the personalities of Moses. In Jeremiah Paul and Luke you see their personalities and in their attention to detail and in Peter how he writes and pictures and you use either you see how how it's them. Paul wrote Romans. But at the same time you see how it's God through the Holy Spirit writing these books.
One author, one divine author of all 66 books. We don't exactly understand there's a mystery there just like there's mystery in the fact that Jesus is truly God.
He's 100% God.
He's 100% man yet there's mystery and how that is going together, the two natures in one person. There's mystery in Scripture.
But what what Scripture says is it's all inspired. That's the word that we use by God. It's it's all breathed out by God. It's all from him and therefore it's all true. God cannot lie. Yeah that's his character. He is he is a God of truth. So Jesus says in John 1717.
He says sanctified them. In truth, thy word is truth. It's truth in Deuteronomy chapter 18 God says don't trust a prophet whose words fall to the ground because he's not speaking for me because I cannot lie, I always speak the truth, you and really this idea of inerrancy then is flowing from that like if every word is breathed out by God, if it's all from him and God is truth intrinsically in his character is so basic to who Jesus is right, Wesley. I am the way, the truth and the life and the reason he came to testify to the truth testify to the truth is light the pilot so if this is his word and it is and it is true, and it is then. Therefore, it is authoritative and and that's also what Jesus said about Scripture says in John 1035. He says Scripture cannot be broken.
It's authoritative over all all of us because it's God's word and in what's fascinating about Jesus's ministry we study his interaction with the Pharisees itself over and over and over again. He goes back to the authority of Scripture right you know why what Jesus quoted Scripture a lot why are you and your disciples picking this grain in the field have you not read what David did when when he was fleeing from Saul Jesus.
What about divorce have you not read heat. He goes back to the Old Testament.
He cites it authoritative no one of the things a biblical inerrancy that comes up somebody on Facebook library asked this question is only… We talk about every NIV, ESV, NLT yada yada method Bubba Bob which is a not regular trends.
Relation of the Bible, but some of them say different things they don't know exactly say the same thing.
So when we talk about biblical inerrancy are we talking about all the different like the 52 versions that I have on my Bible app on my phone. We talk about what's actually in their is one thing that you really need to understand this, so this is a really important question.
So when we talk about inerrancy were talking about what the 66 books when they were written were talking about what the authors actually wrote. So were talking about when Paul pinned first and second Corinthians were talking about the original manuscripts that were written for a writ yet so that's what I have.
You ever hear this phrase the original autograph sets or talk about the actual originals of every one of those 66 books so that's what we believe.
Note now the critic is in the same old you have the original autographs right that's that's the shirt that's the critical response to an answer is no. We don't really we don't have any original autographs from much over 2000 years ago, but we have so many copies of these of the Scriptures. Yet man is not much doubt what was written in his evidences method. So we start working backwards from 2020, 2289 TV and is encountered Bible manuscripts going back and go back with her like 97, 98, 99% realize your healing with same will be right back let me do it as well because apparently lives in Oregon you were in the city on the bank of the very thing is that the capital community church here in Raleigh Carolina want to find a trip to the Goodpaster capital community church.com your closer to downtown we are which I do like that, that there's a lot of younger people down there like a more liberal people less church people usually up in North Raleigh men were all there trying to reach as many lost people's we can hear you say that so were a church that loves the truth and we love each other and the truth makes all parts and there's a lot of compassion and and mercy and in love in this church. It's a remarkable unity and that's why biblical inerrancy such a big deal because we believe understand that the Bible is inerrant and all the teachers going back to the original autographs and coming forward and really the only difference is you can find anymore because the manuscript evidence is so massive are really insignificant things. Punctuation misspelling board here and there doesn't change any doctrine does there's no hills design there, but that's where the power is we are talking about this before with churches that are abandoning biblical inerrancy and basically they create a dry race Bible.
We like this part we don't like this part.
This a popular.
This is still love your neighbor well good with that love is love man right that baptizes absently.
Everything and so we let the deal with the hard stuff. It's a dry race Bible but when you have that you have no power. The Holy Spirit as we talked about is the author of the Scriptures.
Therefore, the Holy Spirit is committed to sanctifying and saving people through the Scriptures alone. He inspired it. He's going to be the one who uses it and that's why God's word doesn't return void because the Holy Spirit behind it is often tell people you the connection is is truth is what the Holy Spirit uses to sanctify us, truth is what the whole that's why doctrines are so important. You can't have doctrines. If you don't have an inerrant Bible right if worse if were trying to pick and choose what text from Scripture are actually true, like a rationalist. Yeah, then we can we can't come to a determination on the doctrines.
How do we know where we stand before God. How do we know if purgatory's real war hills real without if heaven is real.
We don't know any of those things if we don't have an inerrant Scripture yet because then you have to yet understand, and that has to carry through from the front to the back that's really old and the new, from Genesis to Revelation is otherwise just throw it out because that's how you decide yet understand your friend years ago, Grant told me he sleep always be suspicious of yourself pretty good piece of advice. So how do you know you should understand your own sin nature your own proclivity to sin your human depravity and you're in the very few of us are intellectually honest when you come to the Bible you want to start dismissing things. Guess what, you're gonna dismiss first. Dismiss stuff you don't, why didn't you get rid of that we don't like and now it's not a God who wrote the Bible to you. That's all probably lose all your power and then with what's interesting is so funny you say that is because when the Jesus seminar assembled in the Jesus seminar was a group of her critics yet.
That said, they were negative for the Gospels were trying to figure out exactly what Jesus said and what he did and said that a color system in any color system, but was funny about that is, everybody chose the verses that most represented their ideology. So it's all every believe it. Everybody created a Jesus right that look like that made in their own image and end the beauty of inerrancy is you John 118. What did Jesus come to do. He came to reveal God. The God who is at the father's side. He has made him known.
He is revealed, the father to us. So when we see Jesus and and he's playing no games and when we have inerrant Bible we see the full panorama of who he is, then we can start to see God's true character and not a God that's made in our own image. So do we doing then is it really important understand this is like is another big word hermeneutics.
What am I reading the context of what I meet in my reading wisdom literature in my reading of poetic literature and my reading a narrative, how important is hermeneutics to be able to maintain biblical inerrancy. Some people is in a well you know my really slow to cut off my hand.
I said plan is causing you to sit in my really cut it off.we kinda deal with that. That's a hermeneutical, right right yeah that's a huge conversation because, as you mentioned, the Bible has various types of literature and it right. The Psalms are poetry you have apocalyptic literature with Daniel and Revelation you have epistles, which are their own type of literature you have the Gospels, which are these these wonderful narrative accounts but they're all written for specific type of purple yet. If you don't know the type of purpose that that genre is. Then you're going to struggle but to to your listeners.
I think the important thing to ask when you're studying the Bible. First is what is the original author saying like, what did he actually mean in his historical context and what is he grammatically saying with the words he's using because the great thing about the Bible is that it's not a movie where it's it's up to our own interpretation exactly where were trying to figure will know what what what that gland is looking at what that meant to me what that movement mean that was that emotional we have the truth in its fixed it's it's codified in words and words have specific meeting. I know that grates against the potent know that the whole postmodern sense that everything's interpretation, subject to your experience right individualism. But these words had meaning to the original authors who wrote them so that's a key to figure out what did the original author mean and then that second question, what is the divine author meaning because it in. This goes back to one of the wonderful things that inerrancy teaches us is that it's all God's word so that means that no Scripture is going to contradict another showing the other Scripture right so it's that important yet super important. But this is also why and I want to get to some point you have here because I what happens when you jettison biblical inerrancy taken a look at these from voices book. I think four reasons for the downfall of the Protestant mainline churches in America see understand what you have going on around you and the other thing is, people wonder why you play pastors. Most pastors study biblical languages. Why do we study Greek lighting study Hebrew, Aramaic, white lies that because let me just in no uncertain terms. English is a really weak bad language. Once you start digging into the meaning of the original language in the Bible is chemical in his office and got a whole another level and all another layer that you can't get at when you just study in English if you really want to get serious about a deeper level of Bible understanding and knowledge of for the original language is so helpful because it just unlocks a whole another layer of English is sufficient yeah but it's not nearly as rich as if you take the time to dig us right, which is also okay I want to talk but this is this is from voices book James Montgomery boys. Whatever happened to the gospel of grace anybody or boys outlines four reasons for the downfall the present mainline churches in America and eat. I think most of us see that there's a there's a pathology here is my report so James Montgomery boys just just for those who are familiar with his life, his ministry was just a titanic figure in evangelicalism of the 20th century. So he's the one who convened the international Council on biblical inerrancy which produced the Chicago statement on the financing so all these issues that we've been talking about with inerrancy and then that counsel produce a statement on hermeneutics.
A statement on biblical application. So all the issues that were talking about that counsel addressed in Jim Boyce or James Montgomery voices as these, sometimes known as was the driving figure behind that and James Boyce wrote this book and it was published after he died in the book is called whatever happened to the gospel of grace. He was pastor Tim Perez up in Philadelphia. He announced after Easter Sunday that he had terminal cancer, cancer. He died in July 2000 while this book. Whatever happened to the gospel of grace was published in 2001 and it's remarkable because one.
He outlines what happened to the mainline Protestant churches in this country and it's so perceptive, what he says but then what he says and it's almost a prophecy that's come true.
Not that he's a prophet but he said what happened to the mainline churches is exactly what is happening in his going to happen to the conservative evangelical churches.
That's us you so that so that got my attention getting soaked.
So these are the things he said. He said if you look at the Protestant liberal churches in America. Mainline denominations and by that we mean the old United Methodists. The old Presbyterian Church United states of America. These old denominations and he was a part of that. By the way, so he lived this evening administered in that so he notices by experience. He said what happened is first they adapted the world's wisdom by that day. Jettison inerrancy yet that that's literally what felt utterly happy.
Jettison the doctrine of inerrancy and then they yes the Wolfpack unpacked that the last thing that will move quickly to the world with them. The world theology the world's agenda.
The world method and then will make sure we get into the drift of evangelical church same thing the world wisdom theology agenda that you need to pay attention.com that the API DAL for those of you that are students of the governance and what you call that thing in downtown Raleigh that the capital that oh well versus capital AL two different things go study that on your own time talking today with Grant about a biblical inerrancy which is a massively important epicenter kind of issue to our faith because if you can't trust the Bible just chucked the whole thing out what you doing wasting your time. Just like Paul said hey listen if the if the resurrection didn't happen words is in or just so pitiable to idiots and so we have to look at the Bible that way and in you were to say before you finish the break and thank you so much for coming in today grant we really absolutely thank you for hosting me your welcome will do it again. Any were to say in that you haven't gotten over the fact and this is so important for all.
This is really challenges me because I think we just so spoiled. Haven't gotten over the fact that we actually have the word of God at our disposal pretty much anytime we want you pick it up and there it you want to know what God thinks about all the big issues of life and truth. There is we have. They were in a hurricane in terms of the culture. Yeah, hurricane. But as the Christian you have absolute certainty to face the circumstances of life because you have God's revelation in his holy word and you have his Holy Spirit within you that testifies that it is God's word and helps you applied in the world. What a glorious reality for believers we know what God is doing it. By the way, we know the end of the story, we know where this is going were so spoiled. There's a word that that guy just laid on me all last year as all this crazy stuff happening shut down the bluff above upon the economy. Yada yada. And it's the word lavish guy just lavishes these blessings on us and and not the least of which is you have his word.
You have the spirit which allows you to fully understand his wordy work through it.
You learn. Yes, of course, in the Bible gives you all that you need to know it doesn't give you all that you can know all that there is to know because you're not God. And so you can handle that.
Anyway, let me and that's just lavish blessings upon us that hey you want to know who is.
That's on a mystery. It's right that's right.
Pretty awesome thing okay back to a James Montgomery boys. Let's look at what's happened to the mainline denominations in the country. These four points yeah so they adopted the world's wisdom which means boy said they rejected inerrancy. The very thing that we've been talking about. So basically what that that meant for them is is they didn't have a standard of truth to give people people came to the church and said okay what are we supposed to believe about God about this world and they didn't have truth to give them and so what they did is they disguised it was social program say hey will you come here we can help a lot of people. Good but as basically replacement of the truth you or they had elaborate liturgical services were there really wasn't any sermon at all was delivered so they disguised it.
But then they just became mimics of the world. Whatever the world believed that's what they believe. Whatever the world was about. That's what they became about and they became pragmatists.
What can we do to keep our buildings open the just became real estate landholder. Jeff was sampling. You know like they ceased to be a church, but I have a McDonald's yet. Make sure the menus attractive when you exactly when you reject the truth you cease to be a church and you become a real estate company.
Essentially, as I say there's 335, three, and 40,000 churches in America and I Satan know does not know the history and 35, three, and 40,000 buildings and groups that call themselves churches, but most of those unfortunately like 60% of pastors according to barn these are still even have a solid biblical worldview sons and okay they can call themselves a trip to the Urquhart church and that's a big part of Nancy exactly. And that leads to the second point the world theology and this is so interesting what he says. He says they just adapted exactly what the world thought so now you ask will.
How can they be a Christian church. What they did is they didn't redefined the Christian terms in the Christian doctrines. I just want to read what he said yet it is so intuitive, he says in adopting the theology in adopting this theology the local churches did not entirely abandon the traditional biblical terminology. Of course they could hardly have done that and still pretended to be Christian.
Many of the old biblical terms were retained, but they were given different meanings. Sin came not rebellion against God and his righteous law for which we are held accountable but ignorance of the oppression found in social structures.
It was what the young people were shouting about in the 1960s the way to overcome was by social change. New laws or revolution. Jesus became not the incarnate God, who died for our salvation, but rather a pattern for creative living.
We were to look to Jesus as an example, but not as a divine Savior. Some look to him as a model revolutionary of this is so interesting what he says next. He says salvation was to find as liberation from oppressive social structure is unfamiliar.
Yes, faith was becoming aware of oppression and beginning to do something about it.
Evangelism did not mean carrying the gospel of Jesus Christ to a perishing world rather working through or against the world's power centers to overthrow entrenched injustice sells the world's theology that's incredible. And then he said the world's agenda. So whatever this is all logical steps, one is always going to proceed.
That's right so whatever the world Kurt cares about.
That's what the church begin to care about whether it's globalism poverty environmentalism in our middle low sexual ethics levels in a climate change whatever that's that needs to be it in that should be the talking point of the church.
So whatever the world it is pushing that's with the church. Also, it's not prophetic. It actually follows right sexy followers and right and then they are in the fourth thing you said it all. You know, flow together the world's methods and instead of advancing the kingdom house again in advance by the word of God by prayer proclamation communion with God and worship instead of majoring on those things. They became political power forms, as it were working at work in them bring about change by building hospitals and in funding liberal politicians in DC that are going out put forward the social changes that we want to see you in there that obvious either. Social implications of the gospel and so were engaged and we should engage in a lot of different things including environmentalism at all. Mother shot at them a lot of stuff. The Maddox degree on that. But first and foremost is the spiritual side then that works itself out. The application of the gospel and how we that that if I were talking about was referencing a book by James Montgomery boys called whatever happened to the gospel of grace.
So what about the event an evangelical church you left. So what's going on voice he said okay so this is what happened to the mainline churches and then off to the side, you had the conservative evangelicals. That's our team. That's yet super plain forgot that the you were the people who are committed to inerrancy.
We believe in the miracles of Scripture. All those things he said what's going to happen to the evangelical church and what is happening is the exact same thing that happened to the mainline liberal denominations. But he said here's the thing was Scripture.
Satan is too smart to come to evangelicals and tempt them to deny scriptures inerrancy. We've already fought the battle yet we we've Artie planted our flag on that hill. Satan is going to come and challenge scriptures sufficiency is Scripture sufficient.
Is that enough to tackle the issues of life or do we need something else do we need secular ideologies and worldviews. Invoice said that is going to be how Satan attacks the evangelical church and in that way the evangelical church will begin to adopt the world's wisdom, not by denying the inerrant, yet Scripture is much more subtle sufficiency of Scripture means something else you hear here's boy situs allow this freedom is blessed by the way back to your other point about what happened in the mainline denominations is very similar to like Mormonism, Mormonism has the exact same vocabulary a totally different dictionary yet understand that vocabulary verse addiction enemy Galatzer. He says it is possible, it is possible to believe that the Bible is the inerrant word of God. The only infallible rule of faith and practice. That's us in yet to neglect it and effectually repudiated just because we think that it is not sufficient for today's task and that other things need to be brought in to accomplish what is needed.
This is exactly what many evangelicals and evangelical churches are doing well so we functionally taken the world's wisdom to tackle the issues of life, social issues, wouldn't you name it whatever it is and then you begin to adapt. It's that slippery slope and adapt the world.
Theology and in you just take you take a biblical word and you and you strap us secular meaning to if I got I got a buddy Steve Wiggins, who now leads worship at church in Memphis. He was with the big tent revival, which is a big Christian group back in the 80s there are any actually was part of leading worship at at the Willow Creek Church in Chicago.
Okay, kind of the birthplace of the seeker sensitive right movement any left. There when he understood that Willow Creek the Bible became a source was not the source is exactly what you're talking about a source one insufficient a source and I'm not going out.
Gregory's church great point Michael. Please all the different drink has a very senior pastor capital having you here. We come back we'll do it again.
That and I'm able to whatever you want is still thinking so much for being here got welling up all