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August 8, 2022 11:22 pm
Steve talks to David Fischer for the whole show. They discuss inflation and Biden’s Pro-Inflation Bill. 86,000 new IRS agents??
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The following program is recorded content created by the Truth Network mobile show where biblical Christianity meets the everyday issues of life in your home, at work, even in politics. Steve is an ordinary man who believes in an extraordinary God is on his show. There's plenty of grace and truth. No sacred call Steve Bell at 86 34 true 866-34-TRUTH or check them out online, Steve Noble Joe.com now here's your host Steve Noble. Okay, let's crack open the champagne because the bite administration when the bats inflation was transitory. Well golly gee will occurs that's going to be true because yesterday ladies and gentlemen. And feel the hand of God coming down in blessing the good old US of day you missed it because thanks to Joe Biden Joe mansion and Christensen among, Harris, it's all over with everything taken care of it with the inflation reduction act so happy days are here again and all that worry and consternation. All the things that we been feeling for the past couple years of the economy.
Well, that are pretty much ended with the stroke of a pen, so to speak yesterday and so when we come to a new money Monday. I guess there's just nothing but the good news to talk about and I will say this with today is Monday, August 8, meaning last week was Monday, August 1, but I had let my father would call a senior moment and forgot that it was the first money first Monday of the month, which is when we would normally do a full show with our friend David Fisher from landmark capital landmark will.com but I will give myself some credit.
David Fisher.
I did remember that I forgot so I guess my old age isn't quite as bad as I thought, how you doing to be there somewhere. He was there now is not there now and see if he is there a David are either now I gotcha. Did you hear anything I said in the intro every word you're saying. I had a senior moment true, but I always moment in reference to Cedars moment in this gym antics were sitting, not even to come close to hitting the balls. Like to be on my soapbox I have to lower my blood pressure I need a run today.
Later on the floor that I am upset with this, to say the least. Yet it's really amazing and in a given the scope of what they're trying to do what they think they're doing and relative to the new cycle most people aren't even this got passed yesterday.
Most people aren't even talking about it today they're talking about whatever they're talking about and mostly will not really understanding what's going on, but to your senior moment in my senior moment from last week, Joe Biden and his administration all four years. This can be a giant senior moment it's just really amazing what's going on there so where do we start with this historic bill they call it the inflation reduction act to do anything but that. But but tell us about us and tell us about this bill what's in there and help us to kinda understand what they just did and what's coming our way senior moment Lederman oh lost him again put David on hold. Organist said that's twice now something goofy's going on. I don't know where that's happening in the whole process and he can hear me yeah and I gotcha. Sorry about that, David. I don't okay anyway you were saying about the whole senior moment thing with the bite ministries senior moment will lead them into beautiful, mystery will stay here from November and we won't have this anymore, but the back of the bill bill is just disturbing way to bring in Kamala Harris to the bipartisan vote along party lines and should 50-50.
So she broke the typo. It was a marathon of ours 20 some hours of going back and forth and you know the Democrats trying to defend the title of the book of the bill, the inflation reduction act was really nothing in the that leads to infect others say it's just the opposite, but it sure Chuck Schumer announced he did backflips if you could do such a thing that's been a long and tough and winding road that we finally arrived. He said we got it done today so they been working on for over a year and $430 billion spending goes well I see it's supposed to combat climate change and extend health care coverage savings on prescription drugs. There are some negative things that it does it puts taxes on corporations 15% corporate tax is added to companies that buy back their stocks are not in the pay 1% tax on buyback of stocks and probably the most disturbing thing of all is this double double the size to the IRS.
They're going to go on a hiring spree, adding 87,000 IRS agents with the funding of $80 billion for coming after the middle income upper income wage earner. Unfortunately, they're targeting you and I and others like us. That's a remarkable thing just to hear, in and of itself, that there essentially doubling the size and adding 87,000 agents as if it functions correctly the way it is and let's double down on the size of the bureaucracy and the number of people in there and then they always act David you know this better than most families act like one that will get a deal with these dirty rotten corporations and I agree there's plenty of corporate cronyism going on there with the federal government because of special interest in all that mess. But anytime they tried to raise taxes on these entities.
These businesses in whatever form, and they're doing it in a number of ways. In this particular bill.
It's not like that the Corporation just go okay will just take a hit on the bottom line. They always pass that along to well you and me which increases prices, which sounds a lot like inflation. I lost him again work in the coming to a break. I think were going to get David Colin again and see is it us or what's going on there. I'll bring it back up stock right now so I don't know what's exactly going on there. The figure reconnecting but working unpack this a bit and that's the funny thing about a knee was referencing what Chuck Schumer said today. Senate Democrats led with American families over special-interest voting to lower the cost of prescription drugs, health insurance and everyday energy costs and how you going to do that going wind and solar.
That's reduce the deficit while making the wealthiest corporations finally pay their fair share. That was Biden, and then of course Schumer before that was all excited thinking that this will be will endure as one of the defining legislative feats of the 21st century. Yes, that's true.
I agree Chuck it is going towards one of the finding legislative speaks of the 21st century because it can be that big of a trainer Steve Noble will be noble to save Noble show talking today about well they call it the anti-inflation reduction act right place in reduction act. That's it.
Biden and Joe mansion. A Christian sentiment cursed him a little bit of trouble with the left because she was able to take care of some really wealthy people in that deals in private equity people because a Christian cinema got them out of some hot water as they were going after the wealthy but none of that stuff will work out. Obviously, anytime you're raising taxes in the middle of a recession.
That's not a great idea.
Let's hurt the inflation problem is to make it worse.
Even though they caught the inflation reduction act so who cares what they call the what matters is what's in there. That's why were talking our good friend David Fisher, David, are we better now and I know you switched yourself. Think were a lot better okay excellent, very good. Yeah, I gotcha so so we're talking about doubling IRS agents to 87,000 pouring billions of dollars, and that that that that should make everybody a little nervous, but there's there's a lot to this bills. Let's unpack this one major issue at a time where you want to start the elder thing is going to lower inflation.
They say we go from fossil fuels to green that's going to cost less money, so there's a bill yes the automakers not going to help the consumer is practiced reading about portions of the bill is unlikely that any electric vehicles are going to get qualify for the $7500 tax credit because the conditions of this bill for material manufacturing so the corporations that manufacture electric vehicles order to get the benefit of and ironically University and you know Ford up to the General Motors up today early 3 1/2 4 1/2% so yeah, that's the markets interpreting that this is a good thing for those areas.
But the reality and the reality is they're saying that will they're saying that will come down substantially with the reality of oil is up today. Not that one day of electric car stocks going off oil going up as a precedent for all every future day of trading, but it is setting a precedence of this is how Wall Street interprets this bill to help the consumer in that's work that's where the rubber meets the road.
45% of the people can usually cannot make their bills right in America target that person every time they talk about electric cars and all that they always leave out the fact that this is story. This is just from July 25. The average electric car price at $66,000 in the US $66,000 is the average electric price can electric car price in the US the average American. Most Americans cannot afford a $66,000 vehicles that he will get more electrical get more green that'll help.
Not anytime soon.
In the meantime, it drives prices up.
It's it's really just ridiculous how given over literally, they just worship at the altar this green new deal and this is more proof of the bill shrink it down to your letters for IRA to be a little bit conspiratorially or go to the back door. We talked about this before.
The government does things are not what they say up front that with you and list if we dissect this till you talk about the IRS. Let's put this thing in the perspective according to three beacon independent research company may point out that this funding of $80 billion towards the IRS doubling its workforce to 87,000 employees.
It would be manpower wise. Three. Beacon says if you had the Pentagon, the State Department, the FBI and the border control, border patrol, combine the IRS will be all of those complying Steve and then you read this, the Congressional Budget Office found that the hiring of these new hires agents would provide approximately $200 billion more additional revenue, focusing on the middle income to upper income wage earner. Those earning wages less than $400,000. He reminds me of what Pres. Biden said multiple times when he campaign for president. I am make it clear I am not raising taxes on those who made $400,000 or less. When he got in office. He said them multiple times and yet this bill back door does exactly that.
It's amazing that though they continue just pump their fists in the air talking about they were doing. We need to do do reduce inflation which is not that bad anyway and transitory anyway and then to do the Terra do the exact opposite.
But but they do you know they they consulted up a little bit talking about working to help people with their pharmaceuticals with their drug prices were lower drug prices.
Yada yada.
But the question is always, how do they do that and doesn't have the desired effect. And that's almost never what happens. Gloria drug prices that are overdoing in reference that their extending the affordable care act. Right now you're there extending it for three more years. Last time I checked my insurance premiums and my drug prescription costs have not come down since 2010. In the aftermath of the affordable care so this is an extension of this for three more years of the substance of the nation of it from the government is not Lord any buddies cost-of-living� A very small segment. I would encourage anybody hear my voice and email at info@landmarkgoal.com.
If you're in that category were actually this extension helps you will talk about that but everybody opposed to three radio stations this morning I'm running email so we'll find out. But I don't see words benefiting on the drug side of things for healthcare yeah and then again in a free market situation when used doing anything, you got the corporations that always in that's right so you want to talk about the drug prescription drug prices you want to talk about crony capitalism the night, and I believe other things are problematic and we should do something about it. But you don't try to go after the corporations in the middle of a recession because you just can add more cost which they don't absorb. They dump it on us is in that's just simple mathematics. Simple economics is will understand simple economics. I think if you More and if you spend more you'll get more revenue generation and more blue every economic dollars spending the promise that that there is been blown all the water we used to spend one dollar get seven dollars return prior to your 2000. Now we spend seven dollars and get one dollar return is upside down and this just more of the upside down this in their thinking and their financial philosophy and unfortunately it doesn't doesn't work in the past was like an orchestra. This is more of you and so are they, you know, we talked about this last week in terms of when the feds all of a sudden gonna stop raising rates in my do a reverse start lowering them and Morgan hit the breaker minute but about 30 seconds, but I want to talk about that. David is actually going to affect the inflation outlook whether the market saying what's the Fed going to do in reaction to this because it they keep raising rates than that to basically is proof that it's not working you raise rates because inflation is getting worse and that's a good control so it can be interesting to continue to talk about the subject affecting the market, stocks, precious metals, we got all of that to get into what David Fisher today and put you on hold body talking to Dave Fisher landmark capital La Marque goal.com and once again, isn't it sad I look on Fox news. This is like the 10th or 12th story down the row on Fox news is talking about. It should go back and see Noble to Steve Noble so little Bee Gees there is. Reminds me of John Travolta reminds John a dead today died today at 73 years of age. I guess you been fighting cancer for some time and I just went through all the bell the biggest conservative websites on the break and only one of him had the inflation reduction act as boondoggle that they just passed in the Senate yesterday only one of them had that in like the top three everybody else. It's 1012 1416 on one particular website.
It was number 26 that was the daily wire that was God Ben Shapiro's website yet to get to the 26th story today this past yesterday. Now we can go Sunday yesterday and an on Ben Shapiro's website. You get to the 26th story on the homepage of the website to get anything about this bill, which is pathetic and and I don't know why they don't cover this stuff because I think it's over the head of your average American. Unfortunately, maybe this but that's why were happy to have our good friend David Fisher with us today. Landmark capital La Marque gold.com is always David, thanks for being here today and helping us understand this and in spending time in it yourself and I don't know if you're right, I just said but it is pretty pathetic that the majority of the major conservative websites are. This isn't showing up in their top 10 at all. When the government spent half $1 trillion through very controversial topic and vote margin has become in I would think this would be at the top of the website is unfortunate because you can't take care of your money. You can't be there to take care of you and certainly the government doesn't take her money very well. That's for God truly remarkable to see that and then so in terms of inflation outlook the Fed raising rates.
I mean, I assume that they raise rates. That means are still worried about inflation so we'll see what happens. But what what effect you think this can have on what the feds can so I don't think it is independent from the government.
At least that's what they say and there's continue to raise rates likely projected last week I had a hold of the set of things were going to put on that topic, but I'll just brush the highlights of it so last week. Drupal said that you know keep raising rates but then he says eventually we will change courses market. Steve interpreted that they say that it been talking about this for about six weeks now.
I still think the Fed. What is that for those that play basketball or understand it going one direction. Also in pivot turn and go the other direction. If it so the feds been raising rates from a quarter-point number two and 2 1/2% keep raising it three and half to 4%. They say they say the team inflation we can tame inflation when you raise rates to 4%. If the inflation rate is 9.1% get to get the rate above inflationary number. Historically that's the only way we been able to tame inflation but the feds can keep with this fact when the market was was gesturing that the Fed and that's why rallied on Thursday and Friday nicely the Fed presidents about five of them came out over the weekend and should really clearly on Friday and Saturday. The feds can raise rates but were talking about Loretta Swift talking about James Bullard St. Louis fishermen were talking real cash. Minneapolis, with all of them basically the same thing. We're just starting this out. We have not got inflation under control. Weakness are number one priority in order to raise rates and we have to do this adamantly that verbiage coming from the Fed up there again saying working to raise rates.
I'm thinking that's not to tame inflation so I think the Fed will do a better job market taming inflation will this bill does not reduce inflation. It doesn't work. Prices lower fertilizer prices for farmers. Therefore, there's a lower cost. It doesn't affect the trip shortages and manufacturing that correspond new and used cars to be higher in price. It is a lower housing prices is associate would cost like lumber cement or copper. It is a lower interest rate. So we are going to have is still in inflationary problem. There is less than 1% of the back affect. According to Penn Wharton. Preliminary estimates that this will actually reduce inflation and Goldman Sachs visit .1% when Sam Mortensen was .2% on the place of social any effect on inflation is just the title of the bill is absolutely financial yeah just the Democrats being Democrats. Thanks to my buddy Bill on Facebook.
Just share this one. A national review about think they cursed any abortion access into this bill, the inflation reduction act so it says here and so the bill extends the credits through 2025 at a cost of annex estimated 20 64 billion or less are made permanent in the future. What credits well that would be the the Obama care's premium tax credits for healthcare plans that cover elective abortion so we got to extend that which is going to cost us $64 billion and I can lower anything is going to raise it and of course trying to consent to continue the Democrats position of murdering the unborn. So we gotta subsidize that. What does that have to do with reducing inflation I mean is just right. It had nothing of course the rubber room one page data sheet from the Democrats on the summary of the bill and point of the second point on this is prescription drug pricing reform. Nursing is to bring in revenue of $288 billion in there citing the Congressional Budget Office boilers. The Congressional Budget Office have this thing wrong because it's not revenue coming in his sleep extending the government's observation of lower drug costs and lower healthcare costs and adulterated with factual numbers here is very unfortunate were seeing this and I think it's going to be a detriment to our country were to look back a year from now say it in floor oil. Everything I said it didn't do it probably won't see that that's in a bear out so has this affected the markets or stocks or metals in general.
Since since yesterday. I mean it's early but they they hopefully are paying attention to what it does and what it doesn't do, but what can happen there. Wall Street always pays attention on something like this other talking about it on CNBC and a big topic of the markets are pretty much flat I'm in the Dallas speakers up about 29 points, all the other two indexes are slightly down in the red.
There is some stocks over absorber stocks are sorry.
Why because it's going to give a handout through the electronic like Solyndra one Solyndra member that train wreck with Obama. So this is a mirror image of the Obama belief in this he was buying was president under Obama and his picking up the same antics. Unfortunately, oils not down but Ford's stock is through the roof and shows General Motors so there's automobile stocks are going to benefit from this and solar stocks silver up through the roof. 3.6%.
Why because were using full number one metal used in soul so silver is up to. Gold is up three quarters of a point show stocks aren't booming or not really down there, more flat metals are up one metal quite nicely and I think you're going to see more of this behavior in the future. So you really care for you put your money will be very selective because the market needs demineralization needs news. In other words, and most of the news is not affected in the market suffer very small sectors and levels up in three very positive silver actually just jumped over 4% 4.07% while yeah that's pretty amazing.
Yeah, back, back to Solyndra. So under the Obama administration. They cosign $535 million in loans to Solyndra and Sunderland belly up in 2011. It just took a couple years and they were gone. So you know it's this whole game that they're just continuing to use our money to pad the pockets of their green friends were turning around and not getting anything done in the unit we want to talk about this 25, 30, 40, 50 year plan to see more renewable energy. Okay fine, but they act like they can turn the stuff around in a matter of year or two and they can't. They literally cannot do it and they want to talk about saving your David, but they don't talk about all the mining that has to take place in order to create these batteries that operate these cars. It's really it's just insanity thing is going to reduce the deficit by around 300+ billion dollars are starting to do any and everything you're saying Bill drink back flips and high-fives is not just anticipate the opposite and it's more the reality were the only imports we have never seen such financial antics is a female. I thought I was going away you go and we go we talk about Michael Barton putting together the balance in 2010 and now he's in charge of all this, I thought that was the case this takes is right in line with yeah it really is amazing from looking from the outside and David Howard come up against the break so we can answer this and discuss this on the other side. Then on to talk specifically about what precious metals are doing and how we can use those as a hedge against all this madness but from the outside looking in on asking when we come back from the break.
What he thinks, driving. This means I think that's stupid. I don't think they're stupid I just think their special interest in things going on behind the scenes, but I want to get your take on that with actually driving what they're doing what they're doing is inking a lower inflation and a raise if it's not good for anybody, but it's got to get for some of their friends right will go there when they come back it's even over the Steve Miller show, doing a Monday with our good friend Fisher from La Marque M Markel.com is always is his website Lynn Markel.com working our way through this big monstrosity over $4 billion fund and $30 billion spending bill. Essentially, even though they called the inflation reduction act. It's anything but if you have the exact opposite effect. But notice talking about Hurley you hardly see it in any big conservative website. Right now all the conservative news locations online. None of them are really put that above the fold. This is not there, why they don't talk about it. Why are they highlighting it when they pull it apart.
I have no idea. I don't understand why they don't make a bigger deal out of this I think is a lot of people just don't understand that the average American doesn't understand it, so they'd rather talk about the unfortunate death of Olivia Newton John, then the death of our nation's economy.
I'm not minimizing the death of any human being made in the image of God.
But it doesn't quite rise to the level of what their government is doing to future generations. But if were willing to kill them in the womb. We might as well be willing to come financially and that seems to be what's going on in DC all the time, David. Again, thanks for being with us today.
525 Monday woe to those who call evil good and good evil darkness for light, light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter and over they turned this whole thing upside down and that's what's happening here. The core belief system only get off on the financial side, but this work working our financial beliefs from the government, you and I but that's what they're sending to us because their core beliefs are not quickly found a woman.
They can even define what a woman is the Bible makes very clear there is a man and there is a woman and they are different. Recently we see an undefined Apple and I'm not throwing stones at all Democrats. I'm just saying we propagate that that is not reality that's not what you write and they also say a woman you know she feels that baby kicker while he or she is in the womb of the mother there saying that person is not a lie again. There saying black is why what a totally upside down. We take it to the financial level doing the very same antics and same things and I'm been very polite shenanigans antique.
It's just ungodly and ungodly financial there will typically lowering taxes stimulates the economy and helps the middle class and upper middle class to do well and in return they can make taxes back to the government is not a tax problem. This is a spending problem and in raising taxes and going after the middle income earner to the middle upper income to the IRS saying you're guilty until you prove yourself innocent, which is not how our country is founded. They're going to destroy this thing called the great America one piece by one key and the economy is founded on the middle class will they want to put these huge challenges back on the back of the middle income earner, you and I and others like us � the destruction of the country.
Unfortunately, we see that happen lots of nations that's were going. Unfortunately, yeah, that's that that's a mystery to me still remains. I understand of the social issues. I understand that I understand when there is talk that a man can get pregnant, and all the madness of suppressing the truth and replacing it a lie in men and women are interchangeable or you can have one of 72 different genders on Facebook these days. Whatever the case may be, understand that because they have a reprobate mind given over to thinking that is come just completely messed up. That's what reprobate means the mind literally can't function correctly, but when it comes to these economic things that this could they got to be sit in a room somewhere David saying okay, here's our goal here are or do you think there there really that stupid that their thinking yeah this is this is gonna work that that's my question. I don't understand how they can come to work through this. When the the simple economic realities are blowing in their face, so obviously they believe reprobate mind believes if you People will be happy. Remember the reset. We talked about the rights they have nothing you will be happy if you if you spend lots of money. There won't be inflation and an assistant big social handout.
That's what this is moral but on steroids and is working to stop. It's going to go on for the next two years of their hope, like the GOP sojourn in your time coming. When we go to the poll polls here two years from now the only way we can fight against this insane belief system that they put out, and now they do it not just morally, financially, and it is bringing the death of our country. Unfortunately, because it is not biblically found himself sound and fundamental and that's ultimately what they want, they would never say that, but that's what progressives want they been working on that since the late 1800s. Starting at the education system is to fundamentally remake America that's at the great reset is about having the right out there with it and all of these Democrats and subscribe great reset mindset that the whole thing needs to be soaking up and remade the sounds rather biblical doesn't remade in a different image and that image is just going to create a new God, which is the government in this case a worldwide government and they have control of everything and you'll own nothing and like it and that's what they they literally say that with the great reset so it's just remarkable to look at all the stuff lining up but we know this and this is where David for you and I and hopefully the vast majority of people listening or watching today know Christ as Lord and Savior. And you know the overall trajectory is not great until Jesus comes back and so we do the best we can. In the meantime, to not just bowed the knee to what's going on in the physical world. But let's remember there's a kingdom that's being built here in a war that's already over. So God rules the universe with his feet up and we can't well let go of that in terms of our reaction.
This just as regular folks out here just trying to earn a living and trying to save some money for retirement how to how we react to this. What is a prudent investor do to protect ourselves from this madness: anger take over and watch myself this morning with your programs will be of sound mind and be at peace and so diversify don't have all your H1 basket because if there saying you can have nothing and you'll be happy to get what you have right that is electronically way to do that is crash the system defaulting on their debt and were heading to old or massive hyperinflation or them seizing your money. So how the end they will already disclosed was how to do this. That's why it's so important they crash the system global consumer probably go up a lot.
I'm speculating if the seizure money holdings over probably would've gone up a lot you wish would have something there because they can't be seized, not electronic it's physical.
If they default or the inflation so much the number one asset hold an inflationary environment is gold and silver are not anti-start understanding, now's the time to not just be happy. A portion of 7 to 8.
Could you do not normally what treasury maybe for you. You want to rebalance your portfolio a look at some other things that are going up because the dollar just broke down through the index.
There's a new trend happening and it looks like the dollars going to move down now because became too high over trace physical markets in gold and silver are up very nicely.
This year, over 10%, while the indexes are down like 2% in gold, so now's the time to be learning and how you roll your 401(k) rollover portion of your IRA. Things like that. Diversify because those that diversify we get into another 2000 type of thing is likely identical, but something is going to give the straw break the camels back. The Dutch boy can plug all the holes in the dike is naturally going to make sure you have stumbled silver as well diversified portfolio and I would caution people as well and I caution myself and Gina as well because for a lot of us the home. Our home values have absolutely skyrocketed in the last couple years like ridiculous amounts are still going all the while looking on the equity at women out but but with the way this economy is going back and turn around and crash pretty quick that if you're up 30 or 40%. You can be down 20 or 30 or 40% within two years and I think there's a lot of us out there.
David right now going yeah, but my house is worth so much more.
I got so much more money in my house. I'm good, but that that that's just saying that's just that's unrealized value and and that's going to change your actually right and I think it will.
Having money on paper and trained all their values.
Like you to let you take it off the table and you put something that is it is a tangible thing.
Put all your money goes over this not what I'm saying. I'm just saying in this day and age you have health insurance, life insurance, car insurance, you better have some well facts are very clear. This is how the government is coming after your money.
That's why they can't come after a gold physical product through burial and completion were things like that. That's right. And that's always something so important to remember and I'll remember that I'll never forget that the day that we got our first shipment of some gold and silver products that we got through landmark capital and and it was that was so unusual to have something that was an asset of ours that was physical that I could hold everything else I go online and look at it and it goes up and down, but this but this thing now sitting in a safe deposit box in a bacon like okay I least I know that's safe and that's a wonderful feeling. What what people do they get to start his education process. David, how can you help him with that triple Weaver packet call us at 446042575 number 844-604-2575 or single MR gold.com.
I've been on the radio programs or phone rang off the hook today because people saw this as a wake-up call.
Well, it certainly is and that's where again just like for me started back in 2016 when David and I first started talking took me some education education before I would become a buyer myself an education before David and I'm certain radio together, but once I was educated, then it all made sense to me and I understood the value and all that.
So make sure you follow that same advice educated in David.
How can I get a hold of you for 460-4575 toward the website is always landmark old.com.
David got bless you brother thank you for helping us understand this will keep an eye and I will keep talking about it.
We'll talk again next week.
I think about that's great. Got bless you. We'll talk soon. This is Steve Noble on the Steve Noble shall gobbling up talk together soon and like always is to say, good to hear this these days ever forward another program powered by the Truth Network